Like Greece with snow

Obummer sides with and encourages labor union revolt in Wisconsin. With thousands of teachers on strike (but falsely using sick pay so that they don’t lose a dime – nice lesson to students there about lying), the Democrats hiding out in an Illinois beer hall and other union members denouncing Governor Walker as a “terrorist” and a “dictator“, our president has strengthened his call for a new civility by embracing his crowd.

Just in case the NYT fails to mention it, what’s happening in Wisconsin is what used to be called democracy. State voters, fed up with a bloated budget that was sucking them dry, elected a governor and a legislative body committed to putting an end to collective bargaining and reining in the public employee unions. It turns out, democracy for unions and our president is something that occurs only when Democrats win elections; anything else is terrorism and oppression. Obummer claims not only to have been born in this country  but to have attended Harvard. If true, what a sad commentary on both.

Like the Greeks, neither Obummer nor his union thugs have realized what’s happened: they’ve sucked the taxpayer’s teat dry and things can no longer continue as they were. In their ignorance, they shout and scream and refuse to recognize that their day is ending. If Governor Walker can prevail against the President of the United States and his minions, and I think he will, he was elected along with a majority of republicans and Tea Partiers, look for him to be our next Republican candidate for president. America loves a hero, so I’d bet Walker will whip Obama’s scrawny butt.

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  1. edgewater

    how about the following? we’re not going to drive to madison for a counter-demonstration, but why not show support in this way? i sent this to all but the liberals on my email list:

    the gov of wisconsin is in a huge battle with the gov’t employee unions over control of gov’t spending [which is mostly about employee costs]. he seeks legislation to end collective bargaining over fringe benefits [but, not over wages], and also seeks to require gov’t employees to pay about 12% of their health care costs [vs. 20% and rising in the private sector] and contribute 5% to their pension plans [vs. 12% in the private sector]. the unions have virtually shut down madison. they seek to win by demonstrations and paralysis what they lost at the ballot box last november. how about sending an email letter of support to the governor? i did. who know if it will make a difference?

    here’s the email address from the wisconsin website:

    govgeneral@wisconsin.gov

    and, maybe send on this message to others. i don’t think this will result in a million emails, but if it did, that would help … a lot. remember six degrees of separation.

  2. ML

    I despise unions. Lets take the airline industry as an example as an example:
    Favorites: JetBlue, Southwest
    Worst: American, Delta
    Whats the lesson here? Both customers and employees of Non-union JetBlue and SouthWest are happier than their union counterparts at the other airlines. Lets de-unionize this country and let competition dictate benefits, salaries, etc…

  3. atticus

    There should be no collective bargaining with public employees because there is no adversarial relationship. FDR and George Meany knew that.

    CA was wretched when collective bargaining rights were extended as a political payoff by ………. Jerry Brown!. It is condign punishment that Brown must deal with the monster he created, the monster that ate a state.

  4. JRH

    Chris, please detail — if you can — the reasons that unions are to blame for Wisconsin’s state budget woes. I’ll just take a walk on the edge and make a bold prediction that you’ll tell me to Google it, or that it’s “obvious,” or some other non-thinking response. State budgets across the country are in tatters — even in right-to-work states like Texas. And TX is a great example: isn’t this low-tax, low-service paradise supposed to be a living, breathing example of the success of conservative public policy? Alas, Texas has a deficit worse than Connecticut and worse than New York.

    In the last decade, there have been no major labor laws passed, no extra collective bargaining rights conferred on unions, and no dramatic change in how unions organize. The idea that unions have caused state budget crises is laughable. That it’s just self-evident to you and your readers points to a certain closed-mindedness.

    Oh, and please never again whine about how the healthcare reform law was “shoved down our throats” or passed without adequate debate. Walker introduced legislation on a Friday afternoon that he wanted passed in a matter of days that would have stripped collective bargaining rights away. You never wanted deliberation and debate! You wanted conservative public policy. Let’s not have any more sanctimony then about process from folks of your ilk.

  5. Peg

    My liberal friends are aghast about the actions of the Republicans!

    They’re calling the governor totalitarian for having police look for the Democratic representatives. They’re claiming that removing the union members ability to negotiate in some matters is like returning them to slave status and will end up with workers making $2 a hour. They are cheering on the in-hiding representatives, and saying this is “democracy at its finest.”

    How do you have conversations with people who believe all this? I’m so appalled at it all, I have not been able to write a word about it on my own blog!

  6. atticus

    “wrecked”

  7. pulled up in OG

    “State voters, fed up with a bloated budget that was sucking them dry, elected a governor and a legislative body committed to putting an end to collective bargaining . . . “

    Sounds like Fountain the novelist, makin’ shit up again,
    with a little birther garnish on the side.

    http://www.scottwalker.org/issues/government-reform
    http://www.scottwalker.org/issues/jobs
    http://www.scottwalker.org/press-release/2010/11/governor-elect-scott-walker-“wisconsin-open-business”

  8. HG

    CF, the Walkers (cutters) will lose over time to the Obamas (spenders). This has been true up until now in the US, which is why at least until recently both parties were entirely committed to unsustainable deficit spending (i.e., because that is what voters want…incidentally, people like you and me reflexively attribute this to ignorance but a huge contingent of voters are voting their pocketbooks since they are not taxpayers and have negative net worth personally).

    Modern Americans tend to underestimate the power of unions.

    In Germany in the early 1920s a key factor in driving the central bank to print money was the wage demands of public employee unions, and the determination of the government not to lay these people off. The path of least resistance politically won out, which was to borrow & print. I believe the Obamas of the day continued in office until the currency ceased to be recognized as money.

    I admire the idea of fighting this but I fear it is futile. Make no mistake the people marching on Madison would like to perform the financial equivalent of setting your life savings on fire. Do not spend all your time on political activision while neglecting to actively get your life savings out of the way of this mob.

  9. The incredible shrinking Presidency…

  10. anonster

    Tax the rich until there are rich no more.

  11. Hu Nhu?

    Gosh I could swear I saw Last Liberal Standing in Milwaukee on MSNBC today. Handsome fellow……

  12. JDinBkln

    I’m not a fan of unions, but I stopped reading this post when I got to the line “Obummer claims not only to have been born in this country …”

    For me, this ridiculous old claim kind of nullifies the entire point of the post. It’s one thing to critisize the President’s policies, but really? Questioning his citizenship? Good grief.

  13. JDinBkln

    And I spelled criticize incorrectly. Damn, I hate that.

  14. Old School Grump

    Hey, I’m a liberal, but I’m not completely senseless. One look at some of the numbers in “Athens in Mad Town” in today’s WSJ put me firmly in the governor’s camp. To wit:

    The bill would require union members to contribute 5.8% of salary towards their pensions; the average for the private sector is 7.5% (and of course that’s if they even HAVE employer retirement plans). Also, the bill would require them to contribute 12.6% of their health insurance premiums, while the average in private industry is 20% (and of course that’s if they even HAVE employer-run health plans).

    And, oh by the way, the bill specifically does not apply to firefighter and police.

    The Democrats who so passionately support these leeches are losing a lot of goodwill from centrist types like me. Don’t make me go over to the dark side.

  15. Founding Father

    New Rules: If you don’t pay taxes, you can’t vote.

  16. Daniel

    I do believe the teachers are going to lose on this. The public have taken a big hit over the last few years and are waking up to the fact both parties have sold them out. I also believe the police and fire departments also need to be included, if not more so. They could really cause a major crisis if they decided to do what the teachers had done by calling in sick. And the previous poster was right, FDR and other Democrats in the past were firmly against public employees becoming unionized.
    But at the other end of the spectrum, the top earners in this country need to pay more in taxes. When the wealth disparity growing ever more over the last fifty years, it is obvious they do not contribute enough to the general welfare of the state. Again, DWI and others in the Republican party professed this in the past, but since it has become a a divisive issue that both parties use to keep the public at odds with each other. Divide and conquer works so well in getting nothing done.
    Government needs to get much smaller or I believe we will have some serious problems in the future. And it will get messy.

  17. Peg

    The teachers in Wisconsin may actually be accomplishing what almost no Republicans have been able to do: get people to really want smaller government.

    They forgot an old but true saying: pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.

  18. just_looking

    Not unlike Old School Grump, I am not a fan of either party, which I why I think term limits is the only answer to all of this.

    Also, remind all of those Kennedy lovers that JFK allowed public employees to unionize. The started this filthy dirty problem, and I think we all know why.

  19. just_looking

    @ Daniel, I am with you and think many are. I do not understand why this thinking cannot gain traction.

  20. just_looking

    @ JRH, the recent explosion in costs has to do with several issues that were put in place years ago that were like sleeper cells.
    1.) Over generous ‘benefits” to Public Union Employees (PUE) to “compensate” for lower wages. The expense of these benefits were 10 and 20 years down the road, so someone else would pay and all was good and happy for those in charge.
    2.) Unreasonable return expectation on their pension plan assets (resulting in massive underfunding of these future promises).
    3.) Private employees have been exposed to extremely high reduction (especially relative to PUE) of job security, current earnings, stable future (replacing def bene w/ def cont ruined a generation of retirees, as no one fully understood the math).
    4.) Public sector pay “caught up” and the benefits are now way too high, and the private sector employees (and former employees) believe the spread is too wide and are seeking to tighten it.

    I feel that this is all reasonable.

  21. pulled up in OG

    It’s usually cop and fire pensions that get people’s heads exploding, artificially jacked up w/a final year or two of heavy overtime.

    Walker’s exemption of these two groups simply proves his crusade has f’all to do with the budget.

  22. Second-to-last liberal standing

    …and, yet, the states with the strongest teachers’ unions typically have the best schools.