Calling Paul Krugman

In the People’s Republic we rely on solidarity, not capitalist anesthesia

Back in 2009, Paul Krugman insisted we adopt socialized medicine as the British have:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We’ve all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

This morning Michael Moore (accurately, I fear) proclaimed that ObamaCare was just the beginning and universal health care is now inevitable.

So in honor of both men and to give us all a glimpse if what awaits us, I offer this story from Britain:

Hospital closings, medical care rationing inevitable, think tank warns,

John Appleby, chief economist at The King’s Fund, also warned services in some hospitals could seriously deteriorate due to the impact of the economic crisis.

He said it was highly unlikely the NHS budget would be significantly increased in the foreseeable future.

Against this grim financial background managers are being asked to get 5p more value from every £1 they spend, every year, partially to keep up with the increasing demands of an ageing population.

Patients have already experienced the effect of this. For example, nine in 10 trusts have introduced tighter criteria to qualify for a range of procedures deemed to be of ‘low clinical value’ – including hip and knee replacements, cataract removals and weight-loss surgery.

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  1. Walt

    Dude –
    If you really take a broad look at the current socio-economic environment, it does not bode well for the future of Greenwich dirt sales

    Think about it. The 1% is being demonized. Vilified. What represents the 1% more than WASP ridden, stick up the ass Greenwich? Well maybe Beverly Hills, but they get a pass because they are actors. Or Palm Beach, but they are all Jews, and they always make it through. They are scrappy little bastards. I admire that.

    Greenwich is Wall Street, the ultimate evil. We are the borgwase…the borewase… we are the wealthy class, despised by all.

    Anyhows, me thinks as Barry continues to embrace the European Socialist model, this really is the wrong place to be. He is going to get reelected, and then the shit will really hit the fan.

    What did the bourg…what did the rich do in Greece? They left. And look where they are now. We are headed in the same direction as them, so it is time to start planning.

    Where to go? Can we stay in this country? Cos Cob? It is blue collar, but the fallout from the real Greenwich will probably have negative impacts on them. So that is out. Even though I really would have liked to drive a snow plow.

    New Jersey? I would rather go to hell. But you would probably like it. You could sell dirt and tell people the refinery in their back yard is really Disney World. And anyone who wants to live there would probably believe you!!

    I think we have to leave the country. I know you will pick Asia, so you can continue to live out all of your perverted sex filled fantasies in the Boom Boom room, and not have to pay airfare to get there. But I can’t handle the food. Brazil would be nice, but the hotties are all ass, and no boob. I never understood that, do you?

    How about Russia!! They are Commie’s trying to be capitalists. So we have a head start!! Plus the women are really hot, and large breasted, until they hit late 30’s, at which point their teeth start to fall out, and they take the shape of the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man. But who wants them that old anyway?
    I vote Russia.

    What do you think, Dude?
    Your Pal,
    Walt

  2. jeb

    How did Krugman get a Noble prize? US has a litigation system on steroids relative to other counties (so defensive medicine adds huge costs). The US subsidizes sugar and industrialized farming. We’ve got an obesity epidemic. And we’re used to “all you can eat” healthcare.

    And he wants our gov’t to take over 16% of our economy? The same gov’t that fed guns to smugglers for tracking (vs cellphones, laptops, etc.) The same gov’t that missed Madoff and BP. Is he kidding?

    Actually, we need something like France. A mix of private and public, where the public service covers long term illness since insurance always needs caps.

  3. DollarBill

    Excuse me, but the horror stories you paint in the UK with the NHS pale by comparison to those in the US, and our focacta system. Did it ever occur to you we have hospital closings all the time here? We do!. And we have plenty of medical care rationing here in the States. It just happens to be rationing based on price. If you can afford it, or your insurance pays for it, you get it. Maybe. If you can’t, or you don’t have insurance, you don’t.

    Flawed as the UK system is, I don’t think you’d find a single UK person who would prefer to exchange their system for ours. No one in their right mind would say our system is preferable to theirs.

    Just as the Ron Paul supporters cheered out in that famous GOP debate, I know you Teabaggers would love to let poor and middle class people without health care simply die by the side of the road but that is not the way a civilized country operates (or should). Thank God, warts and all, the ACA passed constitutional scrutiny or we would truly be living in health care hell right now. The sooner we arrive at a single payer system for our health care, the sooner we start down the road towards a more civilized society. And a more cost-effective solution it is too. Is there anything less cost-effective than the crazy system we have now?

  4. Anonymous

    @jeb, Krugman won the Nobel in 2008 for work he did (mostly) in 1979 that built upon his 1977 PhD. dissertation.

    I believe his work at the NYT, the Nobel, and his private visits with Obama at off the record White House dinners has gone to his head in a big way. I used to find his columns interesting but he’s become so insufferable in the last several years that I can’t stomach him or his ideas.

    My opinion and a few bucks will buy you a cup of coffee. :lol:

  5. Peg

    One of these days $Bill might be correct about something. Just not today.

    He doesn’t think he could find one person in the UK who would prefer our system to theirs? Well – I can find over a million someones………

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html

    In the last six years, the Patients Association claims hundreds of thousands have suffered from poor standards of nursing, often with ‘neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel’ treatment.
    The charity has disclosed a horrifying catalogue of elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, missed diagnoses and dismissive staff.

    The Patients Association said the dossier proves that while the scale of the scandal at Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust – where up to 1,200 people died through failings in urgent care – was a one off, there are repeated examples they have uncovered of the same appalling standards throughout the NHS.

    While the criticisms cover all aspects of hospital care, the treatment and attitude of nurses stands out as a repeated theme across almost all of the cases.

  6. Anonymous

    Wow , defending the (former) status quo sure takes some misguided balls.

    The system in uk is a better broken one then our broken one.

    I have little hope that this will be changing anytime soon. Just look at our demographics, mental and physical well being and education/ intelligence.

  7. Hooch

    You do have a choice in England. You can purchase private insurance, or pay out of pocket. I have friends who have utilized both government and private medical care there and things worked out very well.

  8. Dollar Bill

    Peg, you must be utterly deluded if you think “a million someones” in the UK would prefer our utterly broken system to their own. No one is saying the NHS is without its share of problems, but our system combines the worst of both worlds, with skyrocketing costs and enormous numbers (50+ million) uninsured. To repeat, virtually no Brit would in their right mind choose the US system over NHS, unless you are a rich Teabagger who could care less about other people, the hallmark of a card-carrying Rand-bot.

  9. Anonymous

    I can tell you from personal experience there that the “government” does not run the hospitals and employ the doctors. The “government” runs the “government” hospitals and doctors.
    Many people there have private medical insurance which is allowed and there are many private hospitals and doctors there that privately insured people can go to – the next day if need be. All of the press I seem to read about the Great Britain health care system slants that everyone there goes to “government” hospitals and doctors. When you read about all the delays there, the articles don’t say that the wait is for people waiting on the “government” health system. If a person there wants to go to a private doctor/hospital and “pay” he or she can.
    Why aren’t we told this?