Remember this the next time you hear that liberals are smarter than conservatives

New Democrats

After showering him with money and votes, Silicon Valley gets the shaft- Obama rejects their plea for more visas for scientists in favor of continuing a program to admit 50,000 uneducated welfare recipients and looters. Obama is acting deliberately – the liberals of Silicon Valley are just too stupid to see his plan.

STEM is an acronym for science, technology, engineering, and math. The purpose of the bill is to increase the number of visas available by up to 55,000 for immigrants with advanced degrees in those fields.

[Yesterday Obama announced that he would not support it]

The reason: In exchange for making thousands of new visas available to STEM workers, the STEM Act abolishes another visa program, called the “Diversity Visa” program, which distributes 50,000 visas through a lottery to a pool of nearly 15 million applicants with high school degrees.

The Diversity Visa program drives some people completely bonkers.

Yale law school professor Peter Schuck, who describes himself as “militantly moderate,” is one such person.

In a 2011 op-ed for the Los Angeles Times, he called for a swap similar to the one proposed in the STEM Act.

First Schuck mocks the program for its lottery process, which, in 2011, resulted in 50,000 people being told they got visas when in fact they had not.

Then he hits a bigger point, arguing that the Diversity Visa program “imposes a cost — an opportunity cost.”

“The fact that some of the 50,000 lottery winners will turn out to be desirable immigrants is an accident, not a policy.”

“The solution is straightforward: Abolish the program and use those 50,000 visas (or more) to promote carefully defined national interests, particularly in more high-skilled immigrants who, many studies show, produce jobs, innovation and new businesses.”

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17 responses to “Remember this the next time you hear that liberals are smarter than conservatives

  1. Inagua

    A new crop of useful idiots in thrall of a new Messiah.

  2. Cos Cobber

    If the rest of America had any idea how dependent America technology and medical advancement has been on foreign talent they would be absolutely floored. These visa programs for highly skilled are strategically important and a net boon for the US.

  3. Daniel

    California has another problem. No taxes, but bonds.

    http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/capital-appreciation-bonds/

  4. AJ

    Yalies always were smarter than Harvardians.

  5. Fred2

    Heh. I know a few recent European immigrants.

    All the sorts of people you’d want as immigrants: educated, hard working, young, etc…. They all came over on visa’s for work and lived here a couple of years paying taxes, doing well paid work at rates that most Americans – had they had the education to do the work – would be very pleased to accept.

    Aside from one, all them got their green cards via marriage to American spouses, not a single one was able to convince the immigration authorities that they were otherwise good candidates, (Not brilliant exceptional geniuses, but very high quality.) They were in some endless “lottery” queue. Really?

    So I see the US immigration system as wildly broken: Between the whole illegals things which is amazingly ludicrous it hasn’t been solved/stopped, the choices of types of immigrants by authorities using the legal method, etc… It’s depressing.

    But hey, at least the electoral system isn’t broken… right?

  6. Anonymous

    I came to the US in 1991 under the H1-B visa program. I became a citizen in 2006. I have paid millions in taxes and have been delighted to be here the last 20 years. To reject this visa program is so shocking I am speechless.

    We should be grateful to get highly educated workers here who contribute to growth and pay taxes.

    • We are a nation built entirely by immigrants and we all got rich because of the skills of the best of them. I keep resisting the idea that Democrats have a grand scheme to destroy our country but as their policies expand and the affects drag us ever closer to ruin, I increasingly wonder whether economic stupidity alone can explain the phenomenon. Is there really an evil intelligence using and directing people like “Dollar Bill” or are they wreaking this destruction merely through their unguided blundering like the bull in the china shop? I used to think it was the latter, now I’m not so sure.

  7. AJ

    Yes, there is an evil intelligence directing people like “Dollar Bill”, and it goes by the name of Donavan’s Brain.

  8. Libertarian Advocate

    Anonymous: Smart as you plainly are, you obviously aren’t smart enough YET, because you still don’t get it. Immigration policy is all about what is best for Democrats. It has NEVER been about what’s best for America.

  9. AJ

    Aside from immigration, here’s a bit of government arrogance that might just get your goat:

    “The TSA has refused to attend a House Transportation hearing this week, with agency head John Pistole personally refusing to appear and declaring that the Congressional Committee has “no jurisdiction over the TSA”….”

    Who does this guy think he is, Robespierre?

    http://www.infowars.com/tsa-claims-it-is-above-congressional-oversight/

  10. Anonymous

    Fred2 – It took my husband (who had his green card before I married him) 9 years to get it. He’s completely legit. Made lots, paid lots in taxes. It’s the red-tape. Sponsored by a great company. That’s just the way it works.

  11. AJ

    Something few US immigrants know is that if you are a US resident and hold a green card for seven years, even if you never became a citizen and even if you return to from whence you came, you are obligated to file US tax returns and pay US income tax for life as well as report all your business interests and bank accounts.

    Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free…. Welcome to America. Upon the first day of the day after your seventh year, the mark of the beast will appear upon your forehead. You can not see it, for it is invisible, but you can feel it to the depths of your soul. You have achieved thraldom.

    The mark is invisible, but if you rub a little lemon juice on it and look in the mirror, slowly it will appear. It’s written backwards in the tradition of Nostradamus so that any fool can look in the mirror to see what he has become — a slave, pure and simple. Remember, criticism is blaspheme. The all seeing eye is watching you.

  12. Anonymous

    AJ, I do not believe that is accurate. Even US citizens can renounce citizenship and not pay taxes indefinitely. If a US citizen or a green card holder renounce citizenship or surrender their green card there is an accelerated exit tax as if you liquidated all your assets at current market value. Future US income like pension payments will be taxable here but income earned overseas will not.

  13. AJ

    “Your tax responsibilities as a green card holder do not change if you are absent from the US for a long period of time … If you’ve surrendered your green card, this doesn’t necessarily mean that your status as a lawful permanent resident has changed…”

    http://www.expatfocus.com/us-green-card-holders-beware

    “…The hassle of maintaining American citizenship overseas goes beyond taxes. New laws have made it difficult for Americans to handle finances while living overseas. American Citizens Abroad, a Geneva-based advocacy group for American expats, says that some Americans have had accounts closed or have been turned away by banks and other financial institutions because of the increasingly complicated and expensive reporting requirements involved in serving U.S. clients….”

    “…Under what’s known as the Reed Amendment provision of immigration reform, enacted in 1996, former citizens who expatriate primarily for tax avoidance purposes are barred from re-entry to the U.S. Lawyers say this rule has never been implemented or enforced but it keeps many mum on their reasons for expatriation…”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/hong-kong/2011/03/10/red-white-and-through/

  14. AJ

    And of course, there’s the usual libtard drivel from CNN: can’t find a job in America, well then, move to China. Aren’t we Americans resourceful. Of course no mention of the tax complications one will encounter.

    “With all the horror stories of the job market in the USA, my best friend Jamie and I decided we were not going to do the traditional job search back home.

    Instead, after moving to China to study and teach English, we decided to start our own company…”

    “…We now love our jobs, our customers are always fun and amazingly adventurous, and we are really having the time of our lives. Best of all, we don’t have to worry much about the economy, as there is a constant stream of people coming to China for a wide range of reasons.”

    http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/news/economy/1108/gallery.jobs_abroad/index.html

  15. AJ

    Economy in the toilet? Prospects looking dim? Don’t blame Obama: it’s all the Republican’s fault. Why not move to Canada: they’ve still got an functioning economy. Another brilliant idea from CNN: Why not move to Canada so you can pay Canadian and US income tax. No mention of that fact, of course.

    “Usually, you hear stories of people fleeing to America, not the other way around.

    But the jittery state of the U.S. economy is driving an increasing number of its citizens to seek better prospects north of the border.

    Americans are the latest economic refugees, and they’re heading to Canada.

    As he prepares to campaign for re-election, U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to make a speech Thursday night that calls for immediate stimulus spending to create jobs and improve infrastructure.

    But those reforms will be difficult to make. Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, have resisted any efforts to boost the economy through additional spending.

    As life in the U.S. worsens, prospects in Canada seem all the brighter…”

    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/08/america-canada-jobs/?hpt=hp_bn3

    As a Canadian citizen, you can leave Canada and not have to pay Canadian income tax. That seems fair. Render unto Ceaser… If you live and work in the US you’re using Ceaser’s cash, so maybe that makes sense, but that’s another argument. But if you live and work in another country, well then, Ceaser’s got nothing to do with it.

  16. AJ

    Oops, forgot to mention: if you’re not a US citizen, the guy at the booth at the border can bar your entry for five years, even if you used to be a US citizen, for no other reason than he’s in a bad mood or doesn’t like the way you look. That’s five years, no recourse, no appeal, and he doesn’t even owe you an explanation. The guy at the gate can, for absolutely no reason, say sorry you’re not coming in, and his word is final.