So what’s an AR-15?

ar-15Lots of interesting information here for people who, like me, don’t know much or anything about the gun or why someone would want one. I’ve never lusted after an AR-15 purely for aesthetic reasons: I think they’re ugly, but learning of how versatile they are and especially watching the media swarm to ban them is making me rethink that position.  I may get one next year, while I still can.

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  1. Walt

    Dude –
    Why is this obnoxious, fat limey bastard Piers Morgan, on American TV?
    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/piers-morgan-shows-disgust-while-interviewing-gun-owners-advocate/

    Why does he feel he has the right to come over here, and dictate redcoat, crumpet eating, tea drinking policy to us? We kicked their ass like 100 years ago. Is he taunting us to do it again?

    He thinks that “stiff upper lip” crap is going to work with us? His country shot V-2 rockets into Poland during WWII. They fired Winston Churchill, one of the greatest cigar smoking fat bastards who ever lived. They ruined the lives of millions of potential doable chicks with their dog shit national health care dental service. They have Prince Charles married to a Rottweiler. AND THEY WANT TO TELL US WHAT TO DO?

    I say screw them. Even if it makes throwing them out of the union, and having less than 57 states. This fat, obnoxious cockney bastard is not dictating policy to us!!

    As Americans, we have a God given, preordained right to own guns. But we also have an obligation to use them responsibly. School shootings, mall shootings and movie shootings must stop. How are you supposed to watch Batman with real guns going off?

    And you can’t shoot anyone under 21. We need to bring back the old style Coliseum shootings, where like-minded adults would settle their disagreements in a safe and controlled shoot out environment, like civilized folks. We have lost our way in learning how to kill like gentleman. But I don’t need to hear it from that fat limey fag. Meant with all due respect.

    So let’s get a petition going to tell Piers to get his big fat ass back to Britain, and come see us when he has a better way for us to kill each other.

    You agree?
    Your Pal,
    Walt

  2. CatoRenasci

    I never much liked the M-16 when I was in the Army; I didn’t like the cartridge or its ballistic characteristics, I didn’t like the way it felt or the way it jammed (that was later fixed…) It was sort of fun on rock and roll, but not very effective. I suppose it’s a decent personal defense weapon at short ranges (with a short barrel and short stock), and it’s nice you can put a .22 action/barrel on it to shoot cheap. The article’s point that the M-16 was intended as a long range precision rifle is simply wrong – it’s really not that accurate or effective beyond 400m or so. To be sure, it was intended to be aimed and not fired like a submachine gun. Real rifles, from the M1903A1 through the M-14, were sighted out to about 1800 yards or more, and were effective at close to those ranges in the hands of a good marksman. I have seen my father and some of his friends consistently get ~2 foot groups at 1500 yards with the issue sights with a Springfield.

  3. D

    I agree, Chris. It is an ugly rifle. I owned a Romanian AK in college that was a ton of fun, but had to sell it before moving back to CT as it was banned. I really regret it because I liked the look and simplistic design and operation. 7.62×39 is also a more substantial cartridge too.

  4. Fred2

    7.62×39 has the ballistic qualities of a .30-30, as makes no difference, I believe it’s considered “adequate” as shorter range dear rifle.

  5. Al Dente

    Little known fact: it was named for its inventor, Arianna Ruffington.

    • CatoRenasci

      As is AR for ArmaLite (originally owned by Fairchild), the original manufacturer. It was designed by Eugene Stoner, who was a highly respected weapons designer in the ’50s and ’60s.

  6. Walt

    Dude –
    As usual, our country’s knee jerk, emotional reaction to the Newtown tragedy will be based on political correctness, and a focus on all the wrong things.

    In the 50’s, the problems were due to comic books and rock and roll music.
    In the 60’s, it was free love and the Beatles. And dirty hippies. I miss those free love sluts. They were far from a problem. If you didn’t mind crabs.
    In the 70’s, it was disco and porn. They may have been right about disco. But porn? Give me a break!!
    In the 80’s, it was punk rock.
    In the 90’s it was heavy metal.
    Now it is video games and gun laws.

    Give me a break, you fucktards. It is mental illness. And their ability to get guns. Video games, hard rock, and porn have never killed anyone.

    Well at least those of us not addicted to Japanese school girl porn, which could make the weak amongst us squeeze out every last drop of their essence, but that is their problem, not ours. Right Dude?

    So let’s deal with the real issues. Mental illness. Not videos. Not gun laws. But sick frigging puppies. And the criminals, who blast each other every day. But hopefully, they deal with themselves.

    You on board with this? J tomorrow night? Day before the end of the world? What have they got to lose? Except going out with you?
    Your Pal,
    Walt

  7. anonymous

    Does the gun’s versatility include customizing it for the maximum capability to kill innocent people, just short of being fully automatic. I learned how to shoot a rifle and shotgun when marksmanship meant something because of the need to reload. If guns like the AR-15 were less available, we might be seeing fewer funerals.

  8. Fred2

    I hear you about the uglyness of the rifle, the only rifle of the genre that ever made me look twice at was the German FG-42 , the full caliber 8mm Mauser rifle they issued to WWII German parachutists when they discovered the lads wanted a LOT more firepower.

    For some reason I find it a very nice looking rifle.

    Doesn’t hold a candle to nice Mannlicher stocked bolty though.

  9. Daniel

    All I can say is Walt id one of the most sane and rational individuals I have never met. If you come to Los Angeles Walt, we must have a drink.

  10. Anonymous

    isnt that a pic of a car-15 millitary machine gun?

  11. Pinzgauer

    Isn’t the type of weapon irrelevant to the issue?
    Putting the 2nd Amendment into historical perspective means that whatever “The Government” has I can have, so that “We The People” possess the means to overthrow an overbearing Government (The Constritution actually mentions “obligation” )
    “We The People” should never again be in a position to fight The King’s Army with pitch forks.

    I even wonder if, given this context, one could frame a case that would actually obligate our Government to provide these means to it’s Citizens via collected taxes.

    • anonymous

      Are you serious? Do you really think men playing militia are going to overthrow the government? It did not work at the Whiskey rebellion either.

  12. Stanwich

    There is no need to for guns like this.

  13. AJ

    From Natural News:

    In the midst of all the anti-gun hysteria following the senseless murder of 26 people – 20 of them first graders – at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., one story that is repeatedly overlooked is how often a firearm has been used to save lives and stop senseless murders.

    We here at Natural News believe the mainstream media, which so often overlooks these kinds of stories because they don’t fit into the statist government worldview held by the majority of news editors, has done a disservice to the public by ignoring these acts of selflessness and heroism.

    With that in mind, we bring just some of the most recent high-profile incidents – including what could have been additional school massacres – that were stopped by law-abiding citizens using their Second Amendment rights to protect themselves and others…..

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038404_massacres_gun_owners_defense.html

  14. Anonymous

    Keep in mind, all the assault rifles and guns would not hold a candle to what the Government has access to use. Therefore, we would still be using pitch forks comparably. Therefore, that argument really doesn’t work. However, if you feel better stock piling those weapons at least it should be done in a responsible fashion including: training, better licencing, mental health exams similar to Canadian standards or standards for law enforcement. Truly, put the HUMAN effort in to follow through rather more laws no one is going to utilize.

    • AJ

      “Keep in mind, all the assault rifles and guns would not hold a candle to what the Government has access to use. Therefore, we would still be using pitch forks comparably.”

      A bunch of Arabs with AK-47s brought the worlds largest and most technologically advanced army to a standstill in Iraq until the US started making deals with them and buying off various groups, I believe is how it went.

  15. Anonymous

    Piers Morgan is spot on: Mr Pratt is an embarrassment to this country AND a complete moron.

  16. AJ

    Gun ownership increasing, crime dropping. Sort of like as interest rates increase, bond prices go down.

  17. FlyAngler

    Come on AJ, you are not going to suggest correlation is causation, are you? If so, does that mean if we arm everyone, crime should go to zero?

    Maybe crime is down because so many potential criminals are incarcerated. Thus, if we keep locking up all criminals and potential repeat offenders, crime should go to zero, no?

    Maybe the US government has made it so easy to exist on the dole (99 weeks unemployment then SS disability, SNAP/EBT, grants) that crime becomes a less desirable means of supporting one self. Thus, if we put everyone on the dole, crime should go to zero, no?

    Maybe the more the USA comes to resemble an “enlightened” western European country, crimes is going down because being a criminal is so un-European. Thus, if we all abandon English and take up French and wine instead of beer, crime should go to zero, no?

    Yet, I go back to my observation earlier this week that these massacres and atrocities take place in so-called “gun free zones” where the evil bastards know there will be no lawfully armed citizen shooting back at them. In my mind, that is a cause and effect that are difficult to refute. Thus, your suggesting a causal correlation between the broader distribution of firearms and declining crime rates just might have some merit.

    Cogito, ergo sum armati

    • AJ

      In the first part of this video a senior citizen stops an armed robbery at an internet cafe. The second part is about an armed security guard stopping a robbery at another internet cafe in another state. At about 1:40 into the video the newscaster states that the town’s solution to an internet cafe being held up by armed robbers was to ban internet cafes. That’s brilliant: the solution to crimes is to close down any type of business that has been robbed.

    • AJ

      Well sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch: you just shot an unarmed man.

  18. The Governor

    AJ has become delusional. The prospect of arming everybody as a solution is absolutely ridiculous. People are concerned about the insane living among us. The first knock should be at AJ’s door.

  19. AJ

    Why do you think cops carry guns? So would be criminals don’t think about stealing their lunch money, that’s why.

    • The Governor

      Cops are properly trained in the use of guns. Wake up you fool.

      • some cops are properly trained, most are not.

      • AJ

        If kids can learn calculus, certainly everyone could learn to safely use a gun. I say, let’s remove sex education and homosexual training from the schools and replace it with gun training. Mandatory paintball for everyone.

        But no, they’re not going to do that: instead they’ve decided to ban handshaking in schools because you never know what sort of trouble that might lead to as in the following from MSNBC:

        “…But at a school of 1,100 students that was meant to accommodate 850, school officials think some touching can turn into a big deal. They’ve seen pokes lead to fights, gang signs in the form of handshakes or girls who are uncomfortable being hugged but embarrassed to say anything.

        “You get into shades of gray,” Kilmer Principal Deborah Hernandez said. “The kids say, ‘If he can high-five, then I can do this.’ “…”

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19293872/ns/us_news-education/t/school-penalizes-students-hugs-high-fives/

      • Anonymous

        The Governor is as liberal with his invective as with his factual misconstructions – that is: lying jerk.

    • anonymous

      AJ, you are living a pipedream. In the 1970’s. one of my best friends with a karate black belt was mugged and the suddenness left him unable to defend himself. If he had seconds of notice, the mugger would have been neutralized. With such seconds, someone who knows how to use a gun may be able to defend him/herself. But most people taken by surprise will not react in time. Cops are constantly training for such contingencies and even they can be taken by surprise,

      • AJ

        Most people with black belts have been trained to dance, nothing more, and the first time someone lands a shot on your so-called blackbelt, they fall apart. That’s why anything other than full contact martial arts is a waste of time, in my opinion. Most fights go to the gound within a few seconds anyway, which is why grappling skills will prepare you for real world street fighting much better than dancing lessons.

        As someone who’s spent a lot of time in the worst neighborhoods in NYC and used to frequently travel them at the worst times of day, I can spot a predator from a mile away and know how to make myself not look like an easy target. Most people walk around in a fog and haven’t the slightest idea of what’s going on around them. Keep your head up, your eyes and ears open: you can even hear them coming. Most street criminals that have scoped me out break off for easier targets. I have been attacked, or mugged if you prefer, a few times by people who were either armed or had a numbers advantage, but I’ve never been surprised, and if I’d been armed would have had plenty of time to kill everybody.

  20. FlyAngler

    I have a LEO friend in Fairfield County who is partly responsible for firearms training for all new recruits as well as re-certifications for veteran officers. As he once told me, if you ever see a cop draw his weapon, find cover fast, even if it means digging a hold in the concrete sidewalk. He points out that under stressed firing conditions, less than 35% of rounds fired hit the intended target, the rest are all misses that impact something or someone else.

    • AJ

      The carpet bombing approach to hitting a target:
      NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire. I blame Larry Davis.

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/

    • AJ

      And that’s why the government is buying all those hollow points. Because hollow points are not likely to pass through the bodies of intended target’s, thereby protecting innocent bystanders from being shot. If the NYPD had been using hollow points in their latest shooting incident we probaly would have 9 dead instead of wounded bystanders.

      From the examiner:

      “News reports indicating that multiple agencies of the federal government have ordered and are stockpiling multimillions of rounds of ammunition have pressured the Feds to offer an explanation. But the official explanation has only raised more questions.

      On Friday the government stated that the hollow point bullets it has procured are “standard issue” and that they are used to train security agents used by each of the various federal agencies.

      However, according to retired Maj. Gen. Jerry Curry, a decorated Army war veteran, the Feds’ explanation about the bullets fails to pass the smell test.

      When this reporter first heard the government’s explanation for the hollow point bullets, the warning bells immediately rang indicating a cover up. As every gun owner knows if they are serious about developing and maintaining their shooting skills, the type of bullets used for practice at the firing range are normally different from the ammunition one would use when getting the firearm set to be used in the event of a home invasion or other situations in which one’s life is in mortal danger.

      Firing range bullets are much less expensive and are not designed for the day to day use of the gun for maximum self protection. One uses the more expensive variety, such as hollow point bullets, for real-life danger.

      Thus, immediately this reporter knew that when the government claimed that its agencies had purchased multimillions of rounds of hollow point bullets for “practice and training” at the firing range, something was amiss. Most citizens are likely unaware that such ammo is not used for practice and will accept the government’s explanation at face value. This is in all likelihood what the Feds are counting on….”

      http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-explanation-of-hollow-point-bullets-raises-more-questions

  21. SPK

    Dirty Little secret: Police who practice along side civilians at the range I go to are among the worst shooters I see.

    True. Not making this up