Oooh, won’t this be popular?

Yo! Where da white women at?

Yo! Where da white women at?

They’re tiptoeing around it, but the school board’s getting set to bus poor kids into Parkway and North Street schools. That should knock the Cos Cob synagogue kerfuffle off the front pages.

“At the same time, the district is facing the possibility that some schools will be over capacity and some will be under capacity in the coming years. Large student increases are projected for Cos Cob, Glenville, New Lebanon, and North Mianus elementary schools, and significant decreases are projected at Parkway and North Street schools.”

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  1. InfoDiva

    Makes perfect sense to me. Those schools are underutilized, in spite of realtors’ best efforts to promote them in their listings by touting “North Street School” in the same paragraph with “granite countertops” and “custom millwork.”

  2. Anonymust

    this should help normalize the massive price differential between houses in very similar areas zoned for different schools

  3. Anonymous

    so in plain ingles, are they talking about transferring more white kids into hamilton/new leb and more latino/black kids into the other schools?

  4. GreenITCH

    hmm well considering you logic with the comment ” Sherr said a partial redistricting could include just the schools on the western side of town, without affecting schools in Riverside and Old Greenwich. ” these areas will likely continue to outperform the rest of Greenwich ?
    That said , and ill defer to CF, i think many look at areas of town for things like commute ( central greenwich for train station – even though i think this is a misnomer ) Beach access or smaller town feel etc and many families that move into town , aside from finding the house and plot that they like , more or less assume all the schools are the same

    • more or less assume all the schools are the same

      If only that were so, but it’s not. Long before they even arrive for their first house tour, most buyers have checked all the various school ranking sites, conferred with their “expert” friends in Manhattan and know exactly what school districts they’ll look in and which they will not. Dissuading them from some of their more outlandish opinions is a hard job.
      And that goes for parents with kids in private school too,though Round Hill and Belle Haven are exceptions. There’s a reason why houses on the western side sell at a discount, and the commute isn’t it.

  5. shoeless

    Walt,

    Please pick up on line two. You have an urgent message:

    http://norfolk.craigslist.org/act/3552706637.html

  6. AJ

    Must have something to do with racial imbalances in neighborhoods like Wilber Peck and Armstrong Court, which I don’t understand because there’s no shortage of poor white people.

    • You know, AJ, that’s a damn good point!

      • AJ

        I’m sure there are plenty of white people who wouldn’t mind living in subsidized housing that gives access to Greenwich schools, that is within walking distance to elementary schools; in the case of Wilber Peck, within walking distance to the Island Beach ferry, Bruce Park, Bruce Museum, the Avenue, the train station, the firing range, town docks, and the Bruce Park Grill. And in the case of Armstrong Court, within walking distance of Byram Beach and town docks, East Port Chester and Port Chester. I wouldn’t be surprised that if compared to some of the dumps I’ve lived in, in NYC, I might find the apartments to be quite palatial.

        When I went to GHS, I think there were only three black kids in the entire school and maybe one or two hispanics. Anybody have any stats as to what the racial makeup of these subsidized housing developments currently is? I also recall that when I went to Eastern Junior, the population of Adam’s Gardens was almost entirely white, as was Armstrong Court, but I have no idea of what the balance of different races is now, and I don’t recall if Wilber Peck even existed back then.

        Another point is that the neighborhoods encompassed by the Hamilton Avenue and Julian Curtis school districts are hardly the ghetto. Lots of people are paying hefty monthly rents or mortgages to live in these “lesser” neighborhoods. But I’m all for busing the lowlanders of Old Greenwich to the rarefied atmosphere of the Riverside School. If anyone cares to discuss it, I’d be more than happy to meet with them by the stone wall out behind the Riverside school.

  7. Anonymous

    Shoeless:
    That is hilarious.

    Many thanks !

  8. Guest

    They could create more racial balance by moving kids from Hamilton Ave to North Street. It is not that far. The commute to Parkway on the other hand is a little farther, so you might need volunteers to go up there from south of the Post Road.

    As someone whose kids attended school in New York City, i think racial balance is a good thing. Economic balance is also a good thing.

    One problem here is that Greenwich public elementary schools have vastly different performance ratings. If that is economically based, it a reason to shuffle students around. The schools should ideally be about the same in performance and they all should be top notch. I do not understand the town letting some schools not be top notch.

    Parkway and North Street are highly rated and underutilized. Right now, moving students out of Parkway or North Street to lower performing schools is a bad idea. Moving students into these schools from lower performing schools is a good idea.

    • One problem here is that Greenwich public elementary schools have vastly different performance ratings. If that is economically based, it a reason to shuffle students around. The schools should ideally be about the same in performance and they all should be top notch. I do not understand the town letting some schools not be top notch.

      Because it’s not “economically based”? Busing a child to North Street isn’t going to bring him into a two-parent home, parents who value education and make certain their children do, and work hard, etc. If it were about economics, Jews on the lower east side at the beginning of the last century would still be poor and uneducated.

      • Guest

        Busing a kid to a good school is a good idea, especially if his or her school is poor, lower rated and overcrowded.

        Not everyone in the parts of town that are not North Street, Parkway or another rich area has a one-parent home or fails to work hard. I agree that wide economic disparities may be depressing for kids coming into North Street or Parkway from poor families, but it is what it is.

        In New York City, the public schools are very mixed economically and racially. In our district on the east side of Manhattan, something like 8 or 9 of 11 classes in the junior high school (Robert Wagner) are honors classes. The attention my child got was about as much as in a private school. Our elementary school and high school were also excellent.

        The city has not extended this mixed approach to elementary schools, which are more local. I think the approach the City took with Wagner would work well in Greenwich elementary schools, with more diversity in each school and the goal of making each school top rated.

        Greenwich needs more remedial classes and attention to areas like students who just do not get the work done at taxpayer expense to achieve uniformly top schools across the board.

        Let’s have our schools beat Scarsdale and Bronxville and create opportunities for those who are in the poorer sections of town or are minorities.

  9. Anonymous

    The racial balance law is stupid. Hamilton and New Leb get more dollars per student than other schools in the district. Just ignore it and tell the state to suck eggs.

  10. anonymous

    Isn’t most of the extra money they get from the state for title 1 programs? Tell the state to suck eggs and kiss that money good bye.

    We do need to redistrict – across the entire town. North Mianus is overcrowded so those lines need to be redrawn on the Eastern end of town too. If we have to move lines, lets do it right instead of trying to protect one BOE members neighborhood.

  11. Cardinal1

    So, Guest… Help me understand your “logic”. Its ok to bus to north st.& parkway in the name of balance. Yet, it is not ok to do it the opposite way for the same purpose. How exactly does that work. Leave the lower performing demographic the same, and go up,and pull the performing bracket down a notch for balance? Sameness?
    I get the idea of giving some kids an opportunity at a higher performing school- ie.. Like a charter school approach but your thought well, lacks thought. If they all remain in public school, they all end up in junior high and the high school ,,, it actually works out for most, and the ones it doesn’t it is not because of the elementary school.

    Honestly, i would focus on the junior highs in town , thats where the kids are young enough to catch and help identify and deal with any deficiency and old enough to understand and prep for greenwich high. Elementary school should be for kids in a neighborhood , that is the idea of a neighborhood school. And oh, you could focus on problem elementary schools and help them improve rather than upend the neighborhood by yanking kids out sending them elsewhere. You could save on fuel and is that the GREEN thing to do.

    • Just so you know, State Democrats/Teachers union won’t approve charter schools. “It’s all about the kids”.

      • Guest

        The better answer is to make sure every elementary school has an economic and racial mix. You would effectively have 80% honors kids in each school. The rest could get moved up towards the honors level in a much more conducive environment to studying and succeeding if Greenwich provided the teaching staff for this. That is not in the cards though for elementary school. The most you could do is to move volunteers to Parkway or North Street, if there were volunteers.

        • Anonymous

          You are so deluded.

        • AJ

          Why bus students when you could just play musical chairs with the teachers, after all they get paid while the poor students are forced to be there. Take all the teachers from Hamilton Avenue and switch them with all the teachers at Riverside and see what happens. It would be an interesting experiment, no?

        • In fact, AJ, going back at least to the early 70s, Greenwich has indeed assigned many of its best teachers to the western side schools – I remember David Obrien, honors biology teacher at Eastern and one of my, and most of my peers’ favorite teacher, being shipped off to Western Junior very much against his will and him squawking about it until the day he retired. Despite that effort, Western remains Western, Eastern remans Eastern; it’s not the teachers.

        • Anonymous

          “You would have 80% honors kids in each school.”

          Preparing them for the world of grade-inflation in useless majors at college.

          You truly are clueless.

      • FF

        Not true Chris. MAlloy is a supporter, his Ed Director came from a charter school, there is a charter school 100 yards east of the Greenwich line at Waterside behind Innis Arden, financed in large part by wealthy Greenwich people. What you don’t have, however, is a building. Though there is the Havemeyer Building……….

        • I took that information from the GT article which I’ll agree is suspect, but still:

          At the last meeting, the school board decided to officially remove the option of creating a state-sponsored charter school to deal with the racial imbalance issue. The state has indicated it only approves a limited number of charter schools each year, usually in lower-performing districts.

        • GPD Folk

          Not even close Frank..The Waterside School is on Pacific Street ..nowhere near Innis Arden.

  12. anonymous

    Good idea bussing downtown kids to North St and Parkway. Someone has to serve lunch.

  13. Guest

    The inattention in Greenwich to the lower performing schools hurts property values across the board in Greenwich. A completely mixed approach to the schools with much more remedial help would be better.

    I have not used the elementary schools or junior high here, but a program that gets the homework done with kids who are not doing the homework is an absolute necessity. Not sure if the schools have it. That is pretty basic.

    • Just_looking

      Uh, yeah, isn’t that what CF was referring to a a parent and family that values education and hard work. It is the home that determines how a student performs, the schools and teachers are interchangeable, as mentioned.
      Good performing school draw from good homes (defined as valuing education, etc) which is why they have good performing students.

  14. Guest

    The Greenwich School Board ought to look very carefully at what the Bloomberg administration did in New York City to improve the public schools. You have many upper middle class families in New York using public schools they would not have touched before Bloomberg came in. The improvement in public schools is one reason property values in New York City have skyrocketed and families are now eager to remain in New York City.

    • armonk

      New York City public schools are over 70% minority. A handful of schools are excellent, all with waiting lists, even if you are zoned for that school. Based on standardized NY State tests, there is not a single school in the city that performs as well as Armonk. That excludes schools where only selected students attend such as Stuyvesant.

      • hmmm

        well then you’re a racist for living in armonk and not offering to bus some of those city kids to armonk, in fact you should personally make the drive to pick up a few kids every morning and drop them off at an armonk school

        well that’s what a dem would say to you anyway.

  15. Guest

    Anyone who thinks that having high and low rated schools in the same town when everyone goes to the same high school is working well in terms of real estate values, even in the North Street and Parkway School districts, is deluding themselves. You need to fix the system so all of the schools are rated highly to improve property values, Right now you can buy in Greenwich for, including North Street and Parkway Schools, a fraction of what you pay in Scarsdale and Bronxville schools, including taxes in the equation.

    The fact that some people use private schools here should be immaterial. Many of these people are throwing away a quarter million a child before the kid gets to college, only to find that they cannot afford to pay for the college of their kid’s choice. Too rich for a scholarship and too poor to actually afford it and not mortgage away one’s future.

    If you want property values in Greenwich to be uniformly high relative to other towns, you need uniformly high ranked schools throughout town.

    • GreenITCH

      i dont disagree that it would be good for the whole town to see all the schools rated highly .. however as CF did say … most if not all buyers come into town having read and researched the rankings and buy accordingly .. also on this point .. i have a problem if as a buyer i go to the trouble of buying in say Riverside so my children attend the local ( highly rated ) school and then get bused to the otherside of town away from the friends they grew up with AND then as a parent the potential for me to have to travel accross town for any events etc ….

  16. Georgie

    This proposal sounds like simple economics to me. If you close a couple of schools that are half full—reduce teachers, principals, counselors, psychologists, nurses, etc—and redirect that money to the other fully staffed schools on student achievement programs, etc—perhaps, good bang for the buck.

  17. Georgie

    Guest—-I have read the two tier system that exists in the public schools in NYC. The gifted programs and the general education are solidly divided by race. Please, you may have a touchy, feel good feeling about being in a “mixed” school, but I bet if you asked the kids themselves you would learn how segrated the schools actually are—side by side in the same building.

  18. Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it be great if you could move the schools to where the people are? Alas, physical plant isn’t like capital chasing an investment. I am a graduate of the last class to advance out of Parkway before it closed and remember the last time there weren’t enough kids in the back country. Bringing kids “up there” (Parkway and North Street) won’t lessen the quality of the education the existing students receive. But it will be harder for the new students brought in. Their “Community of place” is different from the back country folks. The families of the students brought in will not share the same experiences and reference points. The new students won’t see their school friends around the neighborhood and the new parents won’t know other parents outside of school events. Overall it will be harder for the school to be a real community. That said, bring ‘em in- they have to go somewhere and its cheaper than increasing capacity (trailers, for example) and less disruptive than fitting 4 lunch periods into a school day designed for two.

  19. prosperityfollowsdynamite

    CF
    “Guest” are you for real. Quotes such as:
    “The fact that some people use private schools here should be immaterial. Many of these people are throwing away a quarter million a child before the kid gets to college, only to find that they cannot afford to pay for the college of their kid’s choice.” make you sound stupid.
    First off, counting preschool, the total expenditure per child for Greenwich private schools by senior year of high school is closer to half a million.
    Second, do you really think that those of us shelling out 30K+ a year for preschool haven’t already saved for undergraduate/graduate school already?
    Third, if private school wasn’t that superior do you think we are just sending our kids there for prestige? None of us got rich by “throwing away” our money on something that was not well worth it.

    • Guest

      In the scheme of things, if you live in Greenwich, private school may not be worth the money. Especially if you end up at Greenwich High without the college admissions bounce. You need to go away to a top boarding school to get that bounce. Not everyone wants to go away, so it is not even a matter of money.

      If the public schools were a little better in Greenwich, real estate values would be higher.

      You really think it will be easy to shell out the more than $300,000 it will cost for each full priced college? Are you sure you will have your high paying job when that occurs? I guess if you have enough money to stop working today and pay all the education comfortably and keep up your life style till you die off your income, not principal, and still leave your kids some form of nest egg, you are fine paying that for private school.

      That does not describe that many people, even in Greenwich.

      • Guest

        For those of us who did what you are describing and finished recently (not in Greenwich), it was a quarter million dollars for older kids and more for younger kids for private school from kindergarten to high school.

        Was it worth it? I am not sure. It would have been better to use a good public school in retrospect, all the way through the end of high school. Even the college bounce to Harvard is not worth it if your kid gets middle of the class at Harvard and wants med school for example.

        • The only thing that matters is....

          completely disagree

          investing in the best education possible and building a sterling pedigree may not be worth it if the child wants to go into a low paying profession (so that the incremental $ saved or not spent is much more valuable)

          but most of the professional class (doctor, lawyer, professor, corporate exec, politician) makes a large enough income over a lifetime such that even going into significant debt early on is worth it if one can differentiate above the masses to put oneself in the best circumstances possible in hopes of success

          college admissions to the most elite institutions 5, 10 and 15 years from now is going to be infinitely more competitive than it is now due to need blind admissions and soaring international (mainly asia) acceptance rates; being in the top 10% in a public high school is not going to cut it – kids need every incremental edge possible to maximize their full potential and stand out and private schools offer those opportunities

          how good of an athlete does your child need to be to be on the varsity team at GHS? unless she is an exceptional talent she is ot going to make it; not so at the small private schools

          what about low student:teacher ratios? does anyone really believe kids at private schools are not getting superior attention from teachers and the school admin such that they are not going to fall thru the cracks? what it the price of that insurance worth, vs potentially getting bullied at school or falling into the “wrong” crowd?

          does anyone really think that with state and local budget crises everywhere that on the margin public schools won’t be negatively affected?

          a very simple litmus test: what % of parents would NOT send their kids to GCDS, GA or Brunswick if it were free and their child were accepted? I would guess 0% – so it is simply a matter of marginal utility, and people who have the money to spend are doing what they believe is in their children’s best interest

          how sure are you that your view of the future is a sound one? are you willing to bet your child’s success on it? what if the USA is #3 in the world instead of #1 – you think Harvard is going to not take a rising % of the billions of Chinese that are going to be applying and that asians at the top schools will continue to be underrepresented vs actual merits (similar to Jews in the early to mid 20th century – a phenonmenon that has now normalized)?

          seems like a no-brainer to me, if you can afford it

        • armonk

          All 9 members of the US Supreme Court graduated from Harvard or Yale Law School. The last 4 US Presidents went to Harvard or Yale. 3 out of the last 4 Presidential losers went to Harvard or Yale.

  20. OG17

    Wasn’t there a Supreme Court Case that said you can’t assign kids to a school to achieve racial balance? Oh wait, Blumie didn’t agree with that decision so voided it on his own….. Didn’t the scores at Hamilton Ave go up now that they have a brand new school?

  21. Anonymous

    how bout designating parkway as an ebonics and la raza magnet school?

    the libs in hartford would probably give blessing………

  22. Walt

    Dude –
    I really couldn’t give a rats ass where they send all these little pecker heads to go to school. I really don’t. But here is one of the many things I don’t understand.

    The lib’s think diversity is important. Which is why they want busing. To mix up different people. But then they want to pretend we are all EXACTLY the same. There are no differences between race, culture or sex. So if we are all EXACTLY THE SAME, why do we need busing? Diversity shouldn’t matter.

    And THE most important factor in a child doing well in school is care giver involvement. If parents abdicate all responsibility to the school system, their kids are doomed to fail. No matter where they are bused to. So start getting involved and take an interest in your snot nosed little kids lives. You lazy, stuck up, holier than thou, no sense of humor couscous eating SLOBS!! Hypocrites!!

    And teach your kids to be polite. That goes for the parents as well. Is it so hard to be polite? Learn some manners You stuck up frigging losers.

    Your Pal,
    Walt

  23. Anonymous

    Guest,

    I’ve been reading your comments and was hoping I had enough self control to hold back but have now lost it. You are clearly not living in reality. For starters you will never raise property values to be “consistently high” in Greenwich no matter what you do – universal good schools or bad. That train left the station when zoning laws allowed multi-family housing in Byram and certain portions of central Greenwich. Look at the data. Those schools in the areas with limited multi family housing – riverside, old greenwich, north street, parkway,etc. will always have better schools This is even further magnified in towns such as Darien and New Canaan where there is virtually no multi-family housing. So let’s just accept that housing prices in Greenwich will never be universal. There will be cheap areas and expensive areas and you or i will not change that regardless of the schools.

    The Students at Hamilton ave and New Lebonon have at minimum equal and likely more funding , facilities,etc. than other areas of town. The curriculum is the same, the teachers are paid the same, the facilities are comparable, the teachers are shared between schools, so where does the responsibility lie for the gap? who is responsible? The only missing component in this formula are the students and parents. America is a country of equal opportunity, not equality, but opportunity for equality. The people of these neighborhood schools have ample opportunity. There is ample funding, curriculum, remedial programs, etc. and ample opportunity.

    It is naive that integration will improve test scores. It will either create a two class system in parkway/north street or cause the scores to fall in these schools while not improving New Lebanon and Ham. What exactly are we trying to accomplish by racial integration? Are we now going to try to create comparable test scores nationally such that Harlem schools are comparable to Westport?

    I have friends and relatives that live in less expensive towns and less accomplished schools. We came from similar backgrounds and they choose not to work as hard as I have and do. I work hard to provide my kids with a better life and education is a big part of this. I will simply leave and find another solution to educate my children and you’ll be stuck with two more underperforming schools and one less parent who is passionate about his children’s education.

    • FF

      You are an ignorant, racist, self-absorbed clown whose departure will significantly raise the average quality of people in the Town. Get out and take your hard-working jackassery with you, perhaps to a town without those evil apartments where negroes and untermensch may live. Ass

      • I assume you’ve directed those harsh words to Dollar Bill, eh? Good on you!

        • Sadly, FF is right. Back in the late 90’s, the head of curriculum for Greenwich Public Schools was at Parkway. I cannot remember his name, but his wife was in charge of special ed at North Mianus. (Maybe someone can help me out.) He said at a faculty meeting that Parkway had to increase its scores, because trying to do this at Ham Ave. and New Lebanon was a waste of time!
          Everyone, including the principal at the time, was stunned. Not only was this racist, it was in essence, writing off hundreds of school children. The principal, Sandy Monn (sp) wound up apologizing to the staff for this guys actions and words.
          As I recall, public education should be equal for all. I just hope there aren’t many people like anonymous left in our town.

      • hmmm

        there you go again, i have nothing intellegent to say to disprove what you say so i’ll call you a racist to change the subject…good work ff

        • Well that’s why I assumed he was speaking to Dollar Bill – you saying he wasn’t?

        • hmmm

          bob,

          until parents get involved it is a waste of time…do/did you help your children through school or did they navigate all on their own?

        • hmmm

          he should be talking to db but in his mind he directs his silly and misinformed comments to those that are most accurate

        • hmmm…of course my wife and I were involved. Raised three kids, and did all the right things by being involved. All three are out, and successful.
          As usual, you miss the point. By writing off schools altogether, and insisting that Parkway “pick up the slack”, that is not right. And you know it. Sure, I have inside information, and it helps my point of view.
          You blindly assume that EVERY parent at Ham Ave., New Leb and JC are not involved, and that is wrong.

      • Anonymous

        i guess you won’t be handling the sale, when he moves out of town.
        lol.

        • hmmm

          bob,

          where did i EVER say that EVERY PARENT AT HAM, NEW LEB AND JC ARE NOT INVOLVED.

          Parent involvement in those schools is probably less and no matter how much you teach any kid (ask your wife) if parents don’t help out, the kid has very little chance. your wife, the teacher, sets the game plan for students and teaches the material which should be her main purpose/job. it is up to PARENTS to make sure those concepts/subjects being taught sink in and is understood by the students through review and practice. I do not expect your wife or any teacher for that matter to parent. You can lead a horse to water and all that…it fits here too.

          you state you were involved and it worked out well and presto that is the magic formula, not bussing, not money, not anything, it comes down to parents and family and love.

          your party has been in charge for decades supposedly helping under priveleged people and there have never been any spending cuts to slow you guys down in anything and you guys have failed miserably so now who do you blame? Keep in mind when answering you stated above you did it by personally being involved in your childrens lives yet you think throwing money at it will do anything about the poor results seen across the country in schools that are predominantly minority.

          it’s parents parents parents that’s the difference. let’s stop pretending, we all want children to succeed and become productive members of society let’s just be honest about the what the real problem is. for too long politicians on both sides make cases just for votes, they have succeeded in dividing you and me for their own benefit.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you go to the Manhattan and send your younger kids to Brearley and Buckley and your older kids away to Groton. Maybe you can even talk those schools into booting the poor and minority students who are in their non-exclusive classes. Or maybe you need to go to the moon to educate your children or do it at home to protect them from these evil forces. After all, there must be someplace to go that has not discovered the Civil RIghts Act of 1964,

  24. It appears to be the price of outsourcing orgasms and the price of real estate. So it goes.

  25. Cardinal1

    Guest sounds funny… Its as if we are baking cookies, and as long as every cookie has the same number of chocolate chips, then everything will turn out right. Somehow, that sounds a tad simplistic, utopian, and man o man is that a boring life. I kinda like the fact that everything is unequal. As an armstrong court and adams garden alumni, I rather like , in relish the idea of the so called haves and have nots and having a wrong side of the track. I think that is what makes greenwich so cool. I mean westport is nice, new canaan etc, but talk about bland. Greenwich, Its not perfect, which makes it pretty darn Perfect. Just saying. Take back country out of the equation,,, from old greenwich, riverside, cos cob to chikahominey its a great town with opportunity to all that care to go for it…

  26. Guest

    You missed the point. The point was North Street school district is much less costly than Scarsdale or Bronxville because of the uneven schools in Greenwich.. Even Greenwich High, where the whole town is zoned, is less highly rated than neighboring high schools. Manhattan overcame a similar problem, at least insofar as schools affect property values. The City raised the quality of its schools. Greenwich needs to do the same, and having two lower ranked elementary schools feeding into a more mixed middle school and then a single high school does not improve the ratings of Greenwich schools overall.

    • Catch a Falling Knife

      why do people care so much about schools anyway – most of success is due to luck and genetics

      if you really want smart kids, marry someone smart – that will increase your kids’ chances for success more than any private schools or utopian system

    • OK, guest. My wife teaches in Scarsdale. I will grant you the schools there are superior to Greenwich. Do you want to pay the massive property taxes here like they pay in Scarsdale?? The programs there are great, and so is the staff. And the schools there are not even, similar to Greenwich, with the Hartsdale part of town being allegedly weaker. Let me know if you are willing to pay substantially more..the education here in Greenwich is still excellent.

      • hmmm

        bob,

        far from excellent…anyway sleep well in your delusions.

        and scarsdale is a very homogenous town white, jewish, japanese where education is of high importance and the parents are involved…it has nothing to do with property taxes. the taxes are a result of what they pay their teachers which is more than what the state of ct/tog pay their teachers so stop pretending. we could send our teachers to scarsdale and scarsdale would still remain a top top school.

        it’s the parents and student involvement.

        • OK, prove to me parents in Greenwich, or any other community, are less involved than Scarsdale. Second, they do have more programs than here in Greenwich. They do pay more, that’s why. And I can assume you do not want to pay more in taxes. That’s fine, I said the schools here in Greenwich are still excellent.
          Correct me if I am mistaken, but it sounds like if a community has more minorities and less Asians or Jews, the parents/students are automatically less involved. Show me statistics.
          Damn, I wish I could remember the name of that curriculum director from over a decade ago here in Greenwich. Maybe you know him? Is he still a racist???

        • Anonymous

          Bob.
          Port Chester has a higher pro rata school/re tax than Scarsdale. Make your argument

        • And Hartford spends more per pupil than any other town or city in the state.

  27. Julian Curtiss

    No mention of any need to further diverisfy Julian Curtiss. That school has adequate numbers of blacks/ hispanics and seems to have good results and comes in for positive feedback. Maybe that is a proven model that North Street and Parkway can aspire to……….

    • hmmm

      probably more parent involvement but then ff would call me a racist too

    • hmmm

      cf, replying to bobs silly comment above there was no reply button under is comment, do you know why that is?

      bob

      it’s about parents you even stated above that that was the magic formula.

      they pay more because they pay teachers about 20% more than greenwich teachers stop pretending please stop. higher pay for a municipal cost center = higher taxes can you grasp that?

      you find me the statistic that says jews and asians do not excel in almost every thing they do. they are a tremendous group (both) with resolve and perseverance to succeed, are you suggesting they don’t? therefore add those two groups to any group and they will lift the scores, that’s a fact!

      and again i never said that parents who are minorities do not get involved but they do not get involved to that same level either because of time restrictions, financial issues (mom and dad might have two jobs and no time to help kid with hw,) are you suggesting that doesn’t happen?, is there a language barrier? You want to pretend, yet the formula you used for yourself somehow magically doesn’t apply to minorities…interesting.

      i don’t know if the curriculum director is still a racist but being that he was most likley a liberal hack as most educators are, ending meetings with blurbs by liberal presidents and all and the fraud that they perpetuate on everyone that they really care, but in fact are doing so only to advance their own agenda to remain in power and to keep their constituents on the plantation, i suspect he still is a racist.

      what’s worse than being a racist is being a hypocrit which the liberal fits nicely into both categories….your formula for raising your kids is good for you but not for anyone else…oh and let’s just tell them we care so they keep voting for us, let’s keep them on the plantation this way we can keep getting our paychecks…fraud fraud fraud your parties programs have failed period.

      the success of scarsdale or any other school district that excels is a direct result of the parents and the community.

  28. End product

    I would like to look at the equation backwards. What is the “college bounce”?? When sitting in the admissions discussions at the top 50 universities (not just the top 3) how do they separate and judge kids based on school? Do Greenwich and Scarsdale go in the same pile as Brunswick compared to a public school from Kansas or NC? At the end of the day are all the kids put back in the same pile and are we just trying to improve our kids ranking within that pile or are they different?? What is the edge from a universities perspective especially if your kid is just plain old smart and not gifted?

    • Guest

      One of the top 3 colleges assigns reps in the admissions office to the top prep schools. They actually talk about it. I have never heard the Greenwich private schools mentioned. There is a bounce from going to a highly rated prep school in getting in. Some of the highly competitive day schools in NY City send a quarter to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford some years and half to Ivy League or little Ivy schools. The key is that these are prep schools with highly competitive admissions to begin with. In NY, the admissions rate is under 15%. Any other private school, is it better than a Scarsdale or Chappaqua in terms of college admissions? Hard to tell. Maybe being in a smaller school provides an edge.

  29. Guest

    Just to be clear, Greenwich spends less per pupil according to the links below than other Connecticut towns and much much less than similarly situtated towns in Westchester County. Greehwich has much lower taxes than all of these towns. You have a problem that is really two pronged.

    http://www.greenwichschools.org/page.cfm?p=67

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/06/08/americas-richest-school-districts/

  30. ShedLessToolMan

    would be just like this video.. the funniest ever.. shows what happens with integration of inner city teachers..

    http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/w5hxki/key-and-peele-substitute-teacher

  31. Anonymous

    Wow FF. that really struck a nerve….I might stay in town just to piss you off.

    Can you enlighten me on how my comments were racist? Is that your stock answer when you don’t have anything intelligent to say?

    • hmmm

      that’s the stock answer of any liberal to change the subject. they have been running education and supposedly helping out the minorities for decades and have failed. they have tried every program and have failed he has nothing left but to call you a racist. just remember when all intellegent responses are exhausted and then you are personally attacked consider yourself to have won that argument. they have nothing they are smoke and mirrors just to keep the vote and stay in power. frauds to the nth degree!

  32. Balzac

    “Connecticut lawmakers passed its racial imbalance law during a time of civil unrest. Martin Luther King had just been assassinated the previous year and people were rioting in cities across the country.

    To achieve integration, the law requires districts to report their student demographics for each school. If any school has 25 percent more minorities than the district average, the community must submit a plan to address the imbalance within 60 days.” (CT Patch article about the law)

    Gee, when the gov’t gets all emotionally lathered up about something (ML King) bad laws are likely to emerge. Today we’re lathered up about guns and Newtown’s kindergarteners.

  33. dannel

    Hey FF. Why dont we propose a new HUD housing project at Babcock or decomission Parkway School and erect Adams Gardens north. Then we force ct state and the feds to condemn the Caldors er Walgreens lot and rebuild the Garden like the old Southfield Village. Its a win win my man. We get the votes. The town gets affodable housing and the schools get blended. Whadda ya think dude?

  34. Anonymous

    I have inside info on New Leb and Ham Ave schools – many, not all, of the parents leave the supervision/raising of their children to us. For exmple, one mother refuses to send her child to school with lunch money, so I have to give him the $0.40 he needs to pay for lunch. She does not pick her child up and we end up staying after school calling and waiting for the Mom. This is true of many of these kids. Most are good kids whose parents are part of the entitlement class and who feel that it is the school’s responsibility for taking care of their children. They treat us as nothing more than baby sitters, are rude and downright mean to us. They yell at us when we call them to pick up their kids.

    The entiltlement class in the US is growing at an alrmingly rapid rate. That is the root caise of our problems.

    And for those libs are going to scream racist at me for telling the truth, the entitlement class includes all races.

  35. Central Gwich

    This is sad. All kids deserve a good chance for success and happiness. Interesting to note, when discussing “diversity,” Asian and Asian-American children seem to not count. Kind of curious that a group that on the whole is the highest achieving ethnic group, and also “students of color,” such a silly term, seems to get no concern or thought.

    Academic success is really only the result of motivation and intellect. It’s not that hard to figure out that Stuyvesant or Bronx science will be better than a school that lets any knucklehead in. The unfortunate likely outcome of increased “bussing,” is losing a lot more upper-middle class kids to Stanwich or something.

  36. The New Normal

    http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/29/best-prep-schools-2010-opinions-private-education_slide.html

    Best report I’ve seen so far for prep schools – ranks the top 20 in the country

    They measure Ivy/MIT/Stanford pipeline for each school

    The NYC preps (7 of top 20) dominate (and are by far the most competitive to get into), with over 35% into Ivy/MIT/Stanford – and of them Trinity and Collegiate are standouts; I really think you have to look at NYC preps as being in a different world

    The other 13 in the top 20 outside NYC (incl Exeter, Andover, St Pauls, etc) average 28.5% Ivy/MIT/Stanford

    By way of comparison, Rye Country Day and Greenwich Academy break out their matriculation by school for the last 5 years (2008-2012) and sent 22.5% and 27.3% to Ivy/MIT/Stanford, respectively. Brunswick’s numbers for 5 years are not broken down exactly, but look like roughly 25%, which is similar to what their exact matriculation rate for 2012 was (25.3%).

    The other schools in the area either don’t have the numbers broken down or are not in the same ballpark in terms of matriculation rates