Good for them

Eugene, Oregon City Council rejects reciting the pledge of allegiance.  This pledge is the dumbest damn thing since singing the national anthem at baseball games. Love of country, patriotism and a devotion to the United States of America have nothing to do with rote recitals. It’s the equivalent of a comb-over for pseudo-patriots.


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25 responses to “Good for them

  1. George Crossman

    Thank God you are in a minority.

  2. Our education system today stinks because there is NO rote learning. The kids don’t have to memorize poetry, nor the US Presidents, nor the state capitals, and now you want them not to learn and recite the pledge? We’ve dumbed down the learning process so much our children will grow up stupid as posts. I get our point about the pledge and the anthem not being about what real patriotism is, but I wholeheartedly disagree that we still shouldn’t demand rote recitals. I can still name the presidents, in rapid succession, from something I had to memorize in 5th grade. Ask any kid today to do the same and I bet he can’t come up with anything after Washington, if he even gets that.

    • EOS: Nothing wrong with learning that Los Angeles is the capital of California, or remembering that T.S. Eliot had miles to go before he slept, but reciting a pledge cooked up by the Knights of Columbus in 1952 did nothing for me back then and nothing for me now.

  3. Georgie in Greenwich

    I disagree you on this one. What binds a nation together if its not songs as the anthem or the pledge of allegiance or anything that can be simply be done together, in unison, and proudly? Nothing makes me more sad when Queen’s “We Will Rock You ” is better sung at a football game than our own anthem. And, all these traditions are even more important when you have young-ens.

  4. Daniel

    Sacramento Chris. But LA does have a lot of clout.

  5. nick

    The pledge goes back to the early 1900’s, not the Knights of Columbus. They did add under God.

    • Nick: 1880 or so, I believe, but yes, I was referring to the K of C adding their bit in the 1950s. Nothing wrong with the pledge, and I have no problem reciting it or meaning every word of it. I do object to its intrusion into almost everything though, especially post 9/11. Besides, I’d pretty much exhausted MPC and leaf blowers.

  6. Shame that the pledge and the anthem do nothing for you…so answer this…..what does something for you?? (I mean in a patriotic sense!!) 🙂

    • EOS: Soldiers seen in airports, going to serve or coming home, my Jewish neighbor’s kids, grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, playing in their yard, business owners who, starting small, prosper, my own children having the right to chose exactly what they want to do. I could go on, but that’s enough – I love this country and am always, eternally grateful I was born here to participate in it.

  7. Out Looking In

    send them all to law school…

  8. The Duke of Deception

    For the first time, and this comes sadly, the Duke suspects that you are a curmudgeonly d-bag. The Duke appreciates the chance to ocassionally recite the pledge and LOVES loudly singing national anthem before a game.

    Eat it.

  9. The Duke of Deception

    What happened to your Fenway Frank Red Sux tonight?

  10. The Duke of Deception

    That must be it — ‘tho the game was in Philly (you know, where the Liberty Bell is). Some Sux fan you are!

  11. towny

    The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth’s Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

    In its original form it read:

    “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
    In 1923, the words, “the Flag of the United States of America” were added. At this time it read:

    “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
    In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words “under God,” creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy’s daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
    Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

    The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”, should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.”
    The original Bellamy salute, first described in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, who authored the original Pledge, began with a military salute, and after reciting the words “to the flag,” the arm was extended toward the flag.

    At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute — right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

    The Youth’s Companion, 1892

    Shortly thereafter, the pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart, and after reciting “to the Flag,” the arm was extended toward the Flag, palm-down.

    In World War II, the salute too much resembled the Nazi salute, so it was changed to keep the right hand over the heart throughout

  12. Inagua

    EOS – Further to your point: At a poker table recently, the conversation turned to presidents and a thirty-something spontaneously reciting the list. We were all very impressed and the reciter was very proud. He remembered it from the seventh grade in Sacramento, which shows that not all Californians were always crazy. This kind of thing binds people together and it is very important, as is the Pledge.

    Hope your son is well.

  13. HG

    I don’t like jingoism but America is the greatest country in the history of the world, and that is just a fact.

    By the rude bridge that arched the flood / Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled / Here once the embattled farmers stood / And fired the shot heard round the world / Spirit that made those spirits dare / To die, and leave their children free / Bid Time and Nature gently spare / The shaft we raise to them and thee. (Emerson)