The new civility and the Left

Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson mocks Santorum family’s grief for the death of their new born. Robinson finds it “weird” that anyone would take a dead baby home and then bury it instead of, presumably, just tossing it into the hospital incinerator. No wonder these guys are so passionate about late-term abortions – babies aren’t babies even after they’re born.

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    • So is your point that, because you (and I, for that matter) disagree with his politics, it’s okay to mock him for grieving his lost child? I know that’s the Eugene Robinson’s idea,but ….?

  1. Sebastian

    Of course not. It is never amusing when people laugh about somebody’s else death. I just wanted to point out that because you (and I, for that matter) disagree (can I say despise?) with Obama does not mean that I have to agree with a crazy guy that make a statement full of bollocks.

  2. The Left’s playbook is Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. For them, “Civility” is just a club to be used to beat their opponents. Win by any means necessary is their credo.

  3. So, CF, are you saying that you would vote for Obummer if Santorum is the Republican nominee? That would be more than a bit self-destructive….

  4. Our electoral vote here in CT is essentially meaningless, so that’s a safe vote.

  5. DollarBill

    One could do a whole lot worse than voting for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate for President. His ACLU scorecard is miles ahead of any Republican contender and much better than Obama’s (no surprise).

    Santorum, on the other hand, is really a revolting piece of work, as Will Bunch, a Philly scribe amply documents here…

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The-Santorum-that-America-doesnt-know.html

  6. Peg

    Why is it so difficult for people to say, “Yes; this was awful…”?

    I, too, disagree with Santorum strongly on a number of issues, and would simply never vote for him. (Fortunately, though I don’t think he’s got a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming the nominee.) Moreover, I’m pro-choice, and think it a bit hypocritcal that many social conservatives can say they’re for small government – then wish to pass laws about all kinds of activities we ought to be able or not able to do in our private lives.

    Yet, that being said, it is cruel and stupid to be critical of the Santorums for what they did with their dead baby. When someone suffers a loss like that, I think they ought to be able to do anything within reason to help mitigate the pain. And – taking their child home and allowing all the family members to see the body of their baby seems quite far removed from “bizarre” to me.

    So. Let’s just say “this was stupid and cruel” of Colmes and Robinson – and leave the “yeah, but Santorum is weird, too” for another post. BTW – at least Colmes had the decency to apologize.

  7. pulled up in OG

    “The matter of taking the child home for a few hours is less common . . . “

    And even less common would be taking home a 20-week fetus.

  8. Whassup

    My wife and I suffered a similar loss. I’m stunned at their comments – beyond belief. Not a Santorum fan.

  9. Whassup

    actually neither..I’m a conservative….he just seems too sanctimonious..

  10. Walt

    Dude –
    You have no idea how impressed I am with my will power. I had some of the best dead baby jokes I almost posted. But I resisted. It is SOOOO painful.
    You proud of me or what?
    Your Pal,
    Walt

  11. CatoRenasci

    I agree, Chris, I could never vote for Santorum – he’s an Ultramontane Catholic who’s perfectly comfortable with a coercive big government state as long as it’s enforcing his idea of the good society.

    Authoritarians come from both the left and the right – the impulse to control others, to make them ‘good’ for ‘their own good’ is strong and must be resisted strenuously.

  12. FF

    I think you have to stop linking to conservative sites that will fulminate against the liberal conspiracy at every turn, and play the victim card relentlessly. First, the following actually happened as recounted by Mrs. Santorum in the book she wrote about the 2 hour life of her child:

    The childbirth in 1996 was a source of terrible heartbreak — the couple were told by doctors early in the pregnancy that the baby Karen was carrying had a fatal defect and would survive only for a short time outside the womb. According to Karen Santorum’s book, ”Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum,” she later developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant. After resisting at first, she allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth. Gabriel lived just two hours.

    What happened after the death is a kind of snapshot of a cultural divide. Some would find it discomforting, strange, even ghoulish — others brave and deeply spiritual. Rick and Karen Santorum would not let the morgue take the corpse of their newborn; they slept that night in the hospital with their lifeless baby between them. The next day, they took him home. ”Your siblings could not have been more excited about you!” Karen writes in the book, which takes the form of letters to Gabriel, mostly while he is in utero. ”Elizabeth and Johnny held you with so much love and tenderness. Elizabeth proudly announced to everyone as she cuddled you, ‘This is my baby brother, Gabriel; he is an angel.’ ”

    You can be taken by the love and affection the Santorum family had for their child. You could also legitimately think those actions are kind of weird. That’s up to the person who has the feeling, but to hyperventilate and pass out from the vapors when someone actually mention that in the context of evaluating a person for political office, is political in itself.

  13. anon

    here’s someone who is not an obama supporter!

  14. Peg

    I don’t get it. As someone who is socially liberal – supportive of gay rights, pro-choice (early on, at least), etc., I would never think of voting for Santorum. Nevertheless, I don’t see why others think that intruding on the death of a couple’s child should be anything that concerns them!

    When it comes to the children of liberals….Chelsea Clinton, the Obama’s two daughters – it’s “hands off” – AS IT SHOULD BE. It seems if the politicians in question are conservative, however – it’s another story.

    As for what the Santorums think is appropriate … first, this is a recommended practice by organizations that commonly deal with this! Second, it would seem that how people handle dead bodies is pretty much tied to their religion. There are religions that have practices that I find odd and would never consider for myself. Still – it’s one thing to think that and another to start discussing it on national TV and mocking people because what comforts them seems strange to you.

    After my grandfather died, my grandmother would go to the cemetery and literally lie down where my grandfather’s grave was. Weird and strange? Yeah. But it made her feel better – so – why the hell should it matter to others?