Isn’t this Greenwich Time publisher supposed to know better?

My seester or my burro - same price!

That Lincoln Log fellow is fulminating in his paper over the town’s “decision” to allow Dunkin Donuts to open in Old Greenwich. I haven’t had a chance to check this with Fudrucker, my source for all matters zoning, but from what I read, P&Z had no control over this store: it’s a permitted use and no special exceptions or variances were required. If the space it fits, you must permit. Or something like that.

I’m not wild about DD coming across the street because the very small parking space behind my office, which I pay rent on, is bound to be clogged with illegal parkers – whom we will tow, but what a pain. That said, that’s not the doughnut shop’s problem. Besides, if old Abe Lincoln there really thinks, as he says he does, that Dunkin Donuts brews the best coffee in the world, he’s obviously unqualified to speak on any matter relating to coffee: beans, traffic or even whether a store is pretty in pink.


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19 responses to “Isn’t this Greenwich Time publisher supposed to know better?

  1. Cos Cobber

    A few thoughts.

    Starbucks in Cos Cob has been a godsend. So glad that derelict gas station was renovated into something and a Starbucks in the center of the village with a fair amount of public and private parking fit the bill perfectly. I’m glad the zoning nuts lost that battle.

    We can wax poetic about the mom and pop businesses but people vote with their wallets and the wallets have been going elsewhere for many years. I try to support the locals whenever I can, even if the locals are more expensive and perhaps not quite as good.
    Without naming names however, there are many local businesses that are just as mediocre and plain lousy as any national chain. Stale food, stale coffee, dirty facilities, high prices, bad attitude is not just something to be found at the big chains. Actually, in many places in town, the unprofessionalism and lack of effort of the locals stores if quite surprising.

    Any how, I look forward to grabbing a DD ice coffee while strolling OG this summer. I’ll get my bagel at Upper Crust, chewing gum at CVS, coffee at DD, garden hose at Feinsods and pizza at ReNapoli.

    • Feel free to stop by the office and say hello, CC, but don’t even dream of parking there!
      (And I’m sorry that Wetlands wouldn’t let Starbucks build a deck overlooking the pond in Cos Cob – there are benches in the pocket park on Strickland that serve up a water view, of course, but I’d have enjoyed a deck at the store itself).

  2. Cos Cobber

    Yes, good idea. I’ll walk in with a snow shovel in hand ‘so you know it’s me,’ as Walt likes to say. The snow shovel should also fully disarm your preprogrammed realtor desire to start showing me houses.

  3. Cos Cobber

    Ha, I’m never seen a realtor make such a distinction…thats the banks problem.

  4. Rick Cooper

    I hope that DD won’t cause us any parking woes (yeah guys we’re right under Chris and Frank). DD has a fairly decent parking area behind them off SBA. If they open up the back door that Patriot Bank shut down after the heist, there will be easy access and plenty of parking.

  5. AJ

    In Canada Tim Horton’s is the Dunkin’ Doughnuts Killer: it has all but made Dunkin’ Doughnuts extinct in Canada. I don’t know what Tim’s puts in their coffee, but Canadians are absolutely addicted to the stuff (it is pretty good coffee).

  6. Rick Cooper

    Yeah, Tim Horton’s coffee is better than DD’s eh.

    But for some reason when they tried to export Hortons shops to the states they couldn’t make a go of it.

  7. AJ

    You’re right, they didn’t make it in America and I’ve no idea why. In my opinion they’re very much superior to DD in every way. Where ever there was a DD in proximity to a Tim’s, DD went down. Don’t feel to sorry for the founder of Tim’s though — not making it in America and all. I saw him the other day on TV, down in Miami, running sea trials on his new, custom built yacht.

  8. FF

    Tim Horton doughnuts are delicious lead balls of sugar/fat. Marvelous for the Canadian winter, not so much for the Yankee summer. The coffee is also strong tasting – a lot to my liking, but nowhere near the brown crayon water of DD and the like which owns the Northeast. I’ll always marvel at the coffee places in Rhode Island, there’s a corner in Westerley that has 2 DD’s across the street from eachother and a Tim Hortons (formerly a “Bess Eaton”, complete with bible verses on each boston creme) on a third corner. A bank fills out the balance. When I drive by, both DD’s are full, Tim Hortons, not so much.

  9. ill-logical

    AJ – Tim Horton was a hockey player born in 1930 who played for the Toronto Maple Leafs. He founded the chain which bears his name in 1964 and died in a car accident in 1974, so I don’t think he was doing sea trials in Miami,
    The dropped the apostrophe from Tim Horton’s to make the name bilingual

    Great coffee and donuts. Don’t know why they didn’t make it here – maybe if he played baseball instead of hockey?

  10. AJ

    New yacht for Tim Horton’s Founder
    All I can say ill-logical is that’s what I saw on TV, and as backed up by this article from The Amherst Daily News. Maybe that’s some imposter going around buying $30 million yachts with old dead Tim’s money. And some of us– even here in Québec– use the possesive form with an apostrophe when we’re speaking English, even though there’s no such thing in French and the apostrophe has been removed from a company name for the sake of being politically correct. Here’s an excerpt from the article:
    “The Amherst Daily News (Canada), February 4 2008– You won’t find this prize when you roll up the rim. Doughnut baron Ron Joyce of Tim Hortons fame says he has forked out $30 million for a new power yacht that has just hit the water in Gulfport, Miss. It’s big — just a few metres shorter than the Canadian navy’s coastal defence vessels.”
    Here’s a link to the article about the yacht:

    • AJ, the reader’s right – Ol Tim permanently hung up his skates long ago.That doesn’t mean that there isn’t someone around who built the then-regional chain into a national one and got rich in the process but Tim himself is catching pucks in the sky.

  11. AJ

    Sorry forgot to mention: when I said that wherever they open a Tim’s that DDs goe out of business, I was referring to: in the Capitol region of Canada and not the US.

  12. AJ

    I should also add that dropping an apostrophe doesn’t make a name French or even bilingual, you would also have to drop the “s” much as the Eaton’s chain did with their Eaton’s store in Montréal which they called “Eaton” or they could have used de Eaton. In praticality, there’s no such thing as bilingualism outside of Québec: in other provinces everything is pretty much unilingual English. But even in Quebec you are not required to change a trade name into French. However, since this is Québec — when in Rome do as the Romans do — Many business change their name to French such as Kentucky Fried Chicken, which here is call Poulet Frit Kentucky, or PFK. You have to scroll down to see the Yacht article as there are a number of articles on the linked web page.

  13. AJ

    Indeed he is CF, but if you read the linked article, you’ll see the guy who
    is buying the $30 million yacht is listed as the founder of… Just as Ray
    Kroc is listed as the founder of McDonald’s and not the McDonald
    brothers. Roy Roger’s was founded by the Marriott, not good ol’ Roy; and I
    highly doubt Arby’s RB sandwich restaurant was founded by either Arbie
    or RB, just as Wendy’s wasn’t founded by Wendy. But I’m sure Long John
    Silver’s was founded by Long John just as Pedro’s South of the Border
    was almost certainly founded by Pedro.

    ” In 1967 Horton partnered with investor Ron Joyce, who assumed control
    over operations after Tim Horton died in a car crash in 1974, and
    expanded the chain into a multi-million dollar franchise.” — Wikipedia

    So, Ron Joyce is sort of like McDonald’s Ray Kroc. And Ron Joyce is the
    guy buying the $30 million yacht, and is Listed as Tim Hortons founder in
    the news:

    “New yacht for Tim Horton’s Founder”
    “….Joyce, the Tatamagouche, N.S., native who co-founded the Tim
    Hortons doughnut chain and made millions from its sale, said Tuesday he
    is very impressed with his new vessel…” –The Amherst Daily News

    Also, “Tim Hortons” would be grammatically incorrect in both English and
    French. The right way would be “Tim Horton’s” for English, and “Beigns
    de Tim Horton” for French (could also be du Tim Horton — the de, du thing is pretty difficult for all those who didn’t grow up speaking French as there’s no rule, and the choice is a matter of tradition).

    So in closing, if you were to say that the McDonald Brothers were the
    founders of McDonald’s, that might be technically true; but if it were
    indeed the case, and Kroc had not found the brothers, it would have
    probably disappeared from the face of the earth like so many other 15
    cent hamburger joints.

  14. AJ

    I do indeed remember Wetson’s on the Post Road in Riverside, just up the hill from where Benni Sez, and across from Hess if that’s still there. Back in the mid sixties when McDonalds was just making it’s National breakout, and the first one showed up in Greenwich, Wetson’s was considered Mickey Dees main competition, and was heavily advertised. The first 15 cent Burger place that I recall, way before McDonald’s, was an A-frame glass and multi-clored, steel panel thing in Cos Cob where Friendly’s was put up –somewhere between 1960 and 1962, I believe.
    But, the best Doughnuts ever were at a small bakery at Old MacDonald’s Farm, exit 13, Darien. They truly tasted homemade, not like the over sugared, over salted pieces of lead that all the chains serve. There’s probably a business opportunity for someone who can make good doughnuts. But you should think twice:

    • Your memory’s correct – that restaurant Bang (Baang?) is there now. When McDonalds wanted to open two doors down the town resisted, objecting that two fast food joints next to each other was at least one too many. The owner of the Wetson franchise appeared before the P&Z and threatend to close down his store if McDonalds came in. Problem solved, the P&Z granted McDonald’s application and Wetson’s closed. I was in high school when I read about that fool’s promise in the Greenwich Time and I knew then that I could always have a career in law becausethere were obviously people in need of serious public relations/legal advice.