The chumps wake up, a little

Unions discovering that Obama lied when he told them they could keep their existing health care, and they’re unhappy. Idiots. It has always been about imposition of a single payer health care system provided by the government. Enacting  ObamaKare was just to get the concept accepted by the great unwashed – its inevitable failure will usher in government control of 20% of the GDP.

As intended. Incremental imposition of an ultimate goal is not limited to gun confiscation, it’s about total government control of everything. Go sip your Big Gulp and contemplate that.

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  1. Anonymous

    you sir, are correct. i am a bit younger than you, born 1970…can you remember a time when the country was so apathetic about its own plight?

  2. I am sure there are some people who read the Time Magazine article by Steven Brill two weeks ago, “Why Medical bills are killing us”. This is a must read for all of us. He has done TV and this deserves more coverage. Bottom line, the insurance companies, drug makers, and medical equipment companies love the current system. They will gouge us every which way but loose, and it is sickening, no pun intended. Stamford Hospital is exposed as one of the gougers. The details are undeniable, and there are so many no comments you know it is true.
    Brill concludes that the only answer would be single payer, but it won’t happen: the Dems want to protect the trial lawyers, the GOP wants to protect big business and the aforementioned companies, and the hospitals want to protect themselves and their massive salaries. ObamaCare helps around the edges, and that’s it. Death panels are exposed as stupid nonsense.
    But here is the big thing: raise Medicare age, the the insurance companies will screw us more, because it puts off single payer. Health insurance companies will also be mostly put out of business with single payer, because all the gouging would stop. But the fact that there would be huge job losses means nothing will happen. So we, the American taxpayer, have to pay.
    Moral of the story, you gotta make it to 65, and pay supplemental coverage. Before one comments, read the article. Beware, it is long. You will also learn that a piece of gauze is now worth $77…
    Many will say, gee, let the marketplace dictate what happens, and caveat emptor. Trust business, not the government. Well, this is why we are in this mess.

    • Mostly agree with you Bob, except your final conclusion that business, not the government placed us in this mess. And even then, I don’t necessarily disagree but I’d say”business as currently practiced”, which means, as you yourself point out, a toxic combination of corporations, trial lawyers, labor unions and politicians of both parties all working to enrich themselves. I have no problem with greed or, if you will, self-interest; it’s what brought us this far, but when you couple greed with the unbridled power of a central government to feed the greed of its favorite players, then you end up in the mess we’re in.

      • I have no problem with greed….interesting. Government has not forced all these companies to screw us. I hope you read the article. They do it because they can GET AWAY WITH IT. Example: take the financial meltdown, and Dodd-Frank was passed. In 2011, the chorus started to rise that it was too much government, it should be repealed. Chorus was led by that doofus Michelle Bachmann. On the corporate side, it was led by Jamie Dimon, chairman of JP Morgan Chase. It was gaining steam until we read about the “London Whale.” Similar to the insurance companies and equipment manufacturers, he was lobbying for his own company. When JP Morgan was suddenly exposed, opposition to Dodd Frank dried up, except from the idealogues.
        Sorry, you cannot trust these big companies. And without a new health care system, it will continue. Hey, I don’t want government running everything, but we have to find a better way, somehow. We just can’t trust the chargemaster and companies like Medtronic to “do the honorable thing.”

        • Just_looking

          I think you both identify the problems. Yes, private industry takes as much as they can and then some, but at the same time the government seems to be doing a worse job at whatevery they they to take on. And The govt can be bought and is bought repeatedly. I have yet to hear a reasonable workable solution it is very difficult to imagine one.

        • But Bob, Dodd /Frank came about only after decades of those same politicians being in bed with the banks! You don’t think Dodd was a “friend of Angelo’s” – remember Countrywide Mortgage? – for being the handsome Irish son of a disgraced former senator, do you? Hell, more than just allowing the lenders to get away with it, Congress legislatively created the entire fraud and benefitted wonderfully from it.
          Bush was not the first president to import Wall Street cronies down to the seat of power, nor was he the last – checked Obama’s appointments over the past five years?
          The point is, we as a nation have ceded so much power to the government that we can no longer escape. Governments have always been corrupt, but their reach was not as all-encompassing as it is today.

          I’ll save you a place on the ramparts.

      • firsttimebuyer

        Hospitals overcharge those who can pay (either out of pocket or with insurance) so that they can afford to provide free care to everyone else who cannot pay. It is a myth that the poor are turned away. By law they must be treated. I am not opining as to whether that is good or bad law – but it is definitely the government making the law. Chris is right about the trial lawyers. A huge percentage of what doctors charge goes to exhorbitant insurance coverage for lawsuits. We need a loser pays law but we won’t get it because the trial lawyers lobby is too powerful.

  3. Chris, you just went on a right wing rant. Please read Brill’s article. I don’t care about how we got into the financial mess, or how we got into this health care mess. How do we fix it? Forget the stuff about Bush and Obama. Yep, single payer involves the government to a certain extent. But how can we keep the private sector involved, without screwing us??
    As I stated before, gotta make it to age 65!!

    • Not right wing rant at all – we’re actually pretty close together on this, I believe, at least so far as the result – how we got here as a country, maybe we disagree.

    • firsttimebuyer

      ‘single payer involves the government to a certain extent’. What are you smoking? Think of going to the DMV…. you want that kind of efficiency for your medical care? Maybe you’ve never been sick. I urge you to go visit the parking lot of Massachusetts General hospital and check out all the ‘Je me souviens’ plates on the cars. Why do they come here?

      • Read the article, firsttimebuyer, before you comment. Read the stories, and the conclusions. Then tell me what you think. If you stick by your comment, let’s meet and you can buy gauze from me for $77 or bacitracin (antibiotic ointment), for $108. After I cash your check, and it clears, then I will go to Mass General with you.

        • firsttimebuyer

          IRead it! Last week – posted on facebook by one of my Obama fan friends.
          Why do you think the Canadians come here for care? Because they can’t get treatment in a timely fashion (which translated means some of them die before they get treatment – need a stent? that’ll be 6 months – but you’ll be fine in the meantime. ) There are ways to fix healthcare that do not involve more government interference. People need to start to care about how much a procedure costs. They need to be able to shop around, We need competition. Right now they have no idea because they are too far removed from the process. Publius explains this much better below.

  4. Publius

    When you separate the actual cost of a good or service from the consumer there is no incentive by either the party to weigh costs/benefits. Most consumers of health care have no idea what it costs. Survey them and I would guess you would not get a consensus anywhere near reality unless you survey individuals/small business owners who buy their own insurance or for their employees. My guess is that most people would tell you that their “cost” is either the amount they contribute (+/- 25% of total) or the co-pay at the time of visit.

    Health care is over used in this country in part (not all) because of this divorce between perceived and actual cost. The other issue that arises from this situation is that consumers of health care don’t price shop. The US consumer is very price savvy on just about everything except health care.People don’t ask they just accept what is given to them. Do you think most consumers would pay $5,000 for a 32 LCD TV? Don’t think so. Giving individuals more control should (but most likely won’t in part) bring down the cost of services. The issue here is that the US health care consumer seems not to care about managing their health pro actively and keeping an eye on costs, that apparently falls to their employer or the government. There are some efforts to give consumers more control (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323639604578366420251188326.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection) but this will not move the needle.

    A single payer system seems like the answer because you have 1 sheriff who polices everyone. It won’t work either because it devolves into price controls and ultimately it reinforces a 2 tier system (partially exists today) that has people able to pay for their health care access to doctors and those that can’t find a doctor because the single payer reimbursement rate is too low.

    Health care premiums paid by employers is a non taxed benefit. A lot of people don’t get this and that is why to a certain extent salaries have not moved a lot over the past decade. An employer looks at the total cost to hire someone and that includes salary, their share of payroll taxes and other benefits (health care). With health care costs soaring employers have absorbed more of those costs in lieu of salary increases.

    If people were given a credit to buy their own health care and keep whatever they don’t spend, you would start to see some downward pressure on health care costs. Taxing health care benefits is one way to get people to pay attention. Single payer…… not so much.

    For those looking to see how a single payer works, keep your eye on VT where they are in the process of moving towards a single payer system within the next few years. It may work there because there are only about 660k residents

  5. Tony

    WOW, great comments. I am a retired DDS who will be 70 in May. At this point I hope my Grandkids do not suffer the potential bad health care consequences that I can forsee in the future.

  6. Tony

    Followup: In my practice of family dentistry I have personally treated patients who have come to me for second opinions, I remember treating a patient, total cost of $300 dollars when she had an estimate from another DDS for full mouth rehab for 6 grand. So there is greed in the system but not all of us are/were greedy.

  7. stedenko

    Tony 10:51

    How would the system work if everyone paid out of pocket?

    • Old Coot

      Cobra: it’s no coincidence that the devil looks like Obama. The producers of the series, Mark Burnett and his wife Roma Downey, are god loving conservatives. I only wish they had created the devil in the image of Michelle. That would have been even funnier!!

      Off/topic, but pretty amusing. Tiger Woods announced today on his Facebook page that he and Lindsay Vonn are officially dating. The tweet I saw was funny:

      @alcivar: RT @aburnspolitico: Hi I’m Lindsey Vonn and I am making a poor life decision http://t.co/ObtgmvJQQO

  8. Tony

    Stedenko
    The legal stealing would be less, but it would still be there. Some practitioners will always over diagnose a case. When I was still practicing (15 years ago) we had to send x-ray evidence of a major cost.