Well this should kill the Riverside boom

The new “proposed” school board redistricting plan will send half of Riverside’s school kids to New Lebanon elementary in Byram. This to achieve “racial balance” from east to west. Still want to split the BOE seats equally between Republicans and Democrats?

Scroll down to pages beginning at 53 to get to the two options. Both will cut Riverside in half and send everyone west of Indian Head Road all the way to the Port Chester border. Don’t gloat: when property values drop top nothing in Riverside  the Grand List will drop in half and we’ll all pay the price in higher taxes to make up the shortfall. Vote Democratic? Only if you hate your children and love poverty.

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101 responses to “Well this should kill the Riverside boom

  1. anonymous

    Those maps were drawn in 2007 during the Sternberg era.

    So far, the latest discussion of enrollment, facility over/undercrowding, and racial balance has only resulted in statistical projections of student enrollment at each school for the next decade.

    They are digesting that info before tackling what options to research to solve all the issues.

  2. Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

    The ratings of the Greenwich public schools need to be raised. Racial imbalance is one issue. Another is not spending enough money per student to fix the system. Just perusing this attachment, I did not see a specific proposal.

    However, the Bloomberg administration’s experience in New York City is that you can raise educational levels, have really good schools and fully include racial minorities.

    One area where we could raise tax revenues for the schools is to stop calling a broad swath of midcountry Greenwich Cos Cob, and to properly call it Greenwich. The Cos Cob zip code, which is purely a postal delivery service creation in eastern midcountry Greenwich, is costing our town a fortune in property devaluation that ultimately could raise our tax base and go straight to our public schools in increased expenditures per student. There is no reason to tolerate this Cos Cob fiction, now that it is costing our schools.

    The town needs to provide more help for students who cannot do their homework. Regular help – every day – for anyone who wants it. We also need more intramural sports in the schools so everyone can play on a sports team if they want. There is money there for the taking.

    Racial balance will improve our schools. Right now our schools are lagging behind many towns, and they shouldn’t be.

    • Anonymous

      finally, parents who have dumb kids who suck at sports will have a place to call home.

      progress, everyone! progress!

    • Cos Cobber

      Wow, I’ve never encountered a real Cos Cob denier. What else do you not believe in, apple pie and the pledge of allegiance? Of course Cos Cob is real – something much more than a mere postal code. Cos Cob is the hub, where everything is medium sized, the houses, the school, the services, the parks, the harbor, the community and the opportunity. Cos Cob cannot be simply absorbed into the belly of Greenwich proper. The people here dont have third or fourth vacation homes, fly private, have international bank accounts, multiple trust funds, send their nannies’ kids to private school, etc. By your logic they should replace the Bronx with Manhattan zips, Mt Vernon for Scarsdale or Detroit for Palm Beach – none of which would fool anyone and change anything. Cos Cob is a special place, a chosen land whose deniers should be ridiculed and shamed!

      PS – all the town would do with the extra real estate taxes from adjusting the zip code is lower the mill rate for the rest of the town. The town’s spending has less to do with available revenue (ie the tax base) and more to do with the fact that our budget is already absurdly large compared to all other CT municipalities on a per capita basis. Our problem is not a tax base problem, its an efficiency/productivity problem.

      • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

        You are incorrect. The US. Postal Service renamed a portion of eastern midcountry Greenwich as Cos Cob, and they did this in 1963, when zip codes became mandatory for second class mail.

        We are talking here about areas that extend almost up to the Merritt Parkway. The U.S. Postal Service established the Cos Cob postal zone here, not withstanding that the properties were in Greenwich for hundreds of years.

        Cos Cob was limited to the area around the Post Road for generations. Eastern midcountry Greenwich was Greenwich for generations – since the 1700s and 1800s. It was never Cos Cob. Until the 1950s, eastern midcountry Greenwich was sparsely populated.

        The Cos Cob post office took over some of the delivery routes in Eastern midcountry Greenwich when the large tracts of land were subdivided in the 1950s. There are actually tracts of land that were part of the Greenwich postal zones until the 1950s that were simply moved to the Cos Cob mail carriers because someone in the post office split the routes that way.

        Those eastern midcountry areas were actually called Greenwich until zip codes became mandatory for some purposes in 1963. There are muliple online directories available on the internet that show that these areas were called Greenwich in the 1950s but are now Cos Cob. The land records put these areas in Greenwich also.

        With the internet and home pricing being very much based on zip codes today, the Postal Service’s calling a big chunk of midcountry Cos Cob needs to be reexamined. The properties are devalued substantially by having a Cos Cob address. The Cos Cob zip code has much lower property values and much lower values per square foot than the Greenwich zip code. The Cos Cob properties are valued at two thirds of the Greenwich properties on a square foot basis on average.

        We are talking about midcountry here – almost up to the Merritt. The issue needs close examination because it represents a substantial loss of revenue for the town. It would be appropriate here to have two zip codes here, one for what was historically Cos Cob and a second for what was historically Greenwich in the 06807 zip code. The town should press for two zip codes. It is worth a lot of tax dollars to the town.

    • burningmadolf

      Holy crap!

    • Comments from a member of a minority

      What kind of message does this send to our kids? Liberals are obsessed with categorizing everyone into some sort of “minority” and then arbitrarily throwing tax dollars at the issue…. The implication being: you are different, therefore you are automatically inferior, and this is how. Spending money may or may not improve the situation (most likely not) but vote for us anyway because we are so compassionate about your inferiority!

      Am I the only one who is panicking over the bigger issue at stake here: think of the carbon emissions! Now we will need to tax the folks driving their kids to schools outside their respective zip codes to compensate for the global warming they are causing. Otherwise, the next hurricane Sandy or mile-wide tornado in Oklahoma could be your fault.

    • hmmm

      we’re spending 72k a student for misa and you say we need to spend more money per student? get a clue!

  3. Anonymous

    If you look at the maps on the original document they date back to a proposal from 2007.

  4. AndyD

    Oh my lord

  5. Anonymous

    It has little to do with the monies expended by the school system, and it’s not just home environment. Here’s the third rail:


  6. Anonymous

    Does this have a chance of being implemented??

    • hmmm

      just show up at every meeting and find out for yourself! get involved…I think the first meeting is this thursday at central

  7. Private schools will prosper.

  8. Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

    The money is not in our school system. The services are not there to help students who need extra attention and help. We need to bring all of the schools in Greenwich up to a uniform and high level. The current system devalues property townwide vs. other towns in Westchester and Southern Connecticut.

    • Anonymous

      This may be entirely true but what does it have to do with the issue of racial imbalance which is prompting the proposed redistricting?

      • hmmm

        According the the Parents Involved decision this can’t be racially motivated and it completely is racially motivated.

        • True, but if you look at the accompanying legal opinion of (Democrat) Dick Blumenthal, at the time out AG, the Malloy administration is taking the concurring opinion of Justice Kennedy and using dicta found therein as binding precedent. . This is not how laws are construed in a normal, apolitical environment, but Malloy doesn’t run such a kingdom.

    • Shoeless

      What the fuck are you trying to say? We don’t spend enough? Holy shit! I didn’t know Paul Krugman was a Greenwich resident.

      • hmmm


        But will that fly over the fact that ParentsInvolved prevailed?

        Canit be contested?

        I am no attorney but now is the time for all of the lawyers in town to get their pro bono work in

      • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

        We do not spend enough on students who need help in getting their work done. We do not include enough students in competitive sports with other schools. We need more money to fix these problems. These programs would greatly benefit our students.

        The schools in Greenwich should all be racially balanced and economically balanced if that were at all possible because that type of balance would actually incentivize the town to make the schools great systemwide. To have a few schools with lower test scores and ratings and others that are highly rated screws the whole town because everyone goes to one high school. It screws people who feel they have to mortgage their future to send their kids to private schools.

        We need to bring the levels of our schools up to the levels of the top New York City schools. The City has done this in a large swath of Manhattan and in schools in the other boroughs. We can do this too.

        Anyone who thinks the current system works well for their property values is wrong. The whole town will go up in value if we improve the whole system and work to make test scores, ratings, economics and minority status much more level across our schools.

        I don’t think anyone sincerely thinks minorities who live in nice houses are the issue here. The minority issue is an economic one where struggling families need appropriate support from our school system so the next generation of their families will not be struggling.

        • Hartford (Fairfield County taxpayers, actuallY) spends more money per pupil than any other town or city in the state, without result. No amount of money will overcome a household with teenaged single mothers trying to raise other children, a culture that sees no value in education and rampant drug use. Money isn’t the answer – I’m not sure there is one.

        • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

          Hartford and Greenwich are similar in expenditures.

          Click to access basiccon.pdf

          Problem is that neighboring towns in Westchester County spend 70% more and have much better schools.

        • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

          It has to be that every dollar spent in Greenwich is the equivalent of more (maybe $1.23) in Hartford, because some things are less costly in Hartford. In real dollars, Greenwich spends much less than Hartford per student.

          We are talking townwide property values and prestige of the town. We want that to be up there with the best. I can assure you that Harvard and Yale are not suffering from admitting large numbers of minorities nor are U.S. businesses and hospitals suffering from employing large numbers of minorities.

          When the school program is good, it is good, and it picks up a lot of people. That is goal.

          • Like Hartford, Greenwich has demonstrated that spending ridiculous amounts of money on its schools does not guarantee a first class educational system. Time for Plan B.

        • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

          As someone coming from New York City schools, and seeing the programs here, it is clear that Greenwich has fewer opportunities than the New York City public schools offer. That is particularly true for students who need some extra help to succeed. Plan B is to get additional help from people who have done this. Bring in consultants from NYC to get the school improvements rolling.

  9. Anonymous

    It would be interesting to see how many of the homes in that area actually have K-5 kids that are in the public school system. Also, you could probably assume that any drop in property values at those affected areas would partially be offset by increased property values that were not impacted.

    • CatoRenasci

      I would guess that most of the families in Riverside whose children would be bussed to New Lebanon under the proposal currently use Riverside elementary school.

      Frankly, the new boundaries look to me like they were designed by someone channeling Pat Young (former HM of GA, then of Stanwich)….

  10. anonymous

    Might as well move to Stamford.

    • anonymous

      Exactly!, we are now stamford and norwalk with bussing of kids from school to school. The decline in property values will result in higher taxes…welcome to stamford!

      • CatoRenasci

        And to think… highly reliable rumor has it the reason Sandy Waters hired Betty Sternberg was to take pressure off of Greenwich to do inter-district busing with Stamford, just as Larry Leverett was hired to take the pressure off with respect to racial imbalance and the perception Greenwich wasn’t “sensitive enough” to the needs of our burgeoning minority population.

  11. Mr. 85 Broad Street

    Looks like some genius at the puzzle house decided that the people on Club Road and Field Point Circle don’t send their kids to public school anyway, so why should they care……

  12. Voice of Reason

    We spend almost 17k per student and have a crappy system. How much is enough? Think the focus needs to be redirected. BOE could actually create a better school system and do so on less money, but you would have to take a completely different approach (my god, perhaps a conservative one). Step one, kick the unions to the curb!

    • hmmm

      throw in misa then recalculate that figure please

    • CatoRenasci

      The Town will never take on the Unions in this political environment. Sadly. There was a chance, back in the late ’70s/early ’80s to take (and break) a strike, but even our last competent superintendent of schools, the sainted Ernie Fleischmann, wouldn’t do it.

      The public employee union-owned Democrats control Connecticut, so you have insane laws that protect the public employee unions to the detriment of the taxpayers and no good way to avoid them other than shutting down all of the public schools and giving the kiddies a voucher worth whatever we now spend per pupil. Not a bad idea, actually.

      Everyone with children is scared to death a strike would harm the kiddies’ chance to get into an ivy league college (which most won’t anyway….).

      The fact is that most public school teachers in Greenwich are incompetent, the administration is generally incompetent (no Phase II before proposing MISA? negligence!), and the school board is incompetent to manage a school system. Many of these people are well meaning, many are very nice, but it’s just not happening here they way it should.

    • Scholar

      We spend 17k per student because the fixed costs of operating a school system are just that, while 25% of the eligible kids go to private school. If 100% of the kids went to public school, the amount would decline by quite a lot.

      • Most of the schools are already at maximum capacity, especially Greenwich High School. Where would you place these students (let alone how you intend to force parents to send them there)?

  13. Once

    We spend three fold in Byram than what we spend At Riverside Elementary. Feds kick in about a third of it. What happened to State Statute “Equal distribution of funds”. It is nixed when funds flow to the minority districts. This is what the bureaucrats have always wanted. To make where we live inconsequential when it comes to where we send our kids to school. They would prefer we are more like Stamford. Greenwich should be suing the State and insisting that Darien and New Canaan and Wilton are annexed into the Stamford School system. They are way to lilly white but for some reason that is ok. Money is not the answer it is parental involvement which is too lacking.

  14. Libertarian Advocate

    Civil war a brewing….

  15. Cos Cobber


    1) Cos Cob is on track to become the most overcrowded school in the district. Rather surprising. NM, NL and Glenville are also projected to become overcrowded
    2) Parkway, North Street and OG are projected to have ample extra space in the coming years.
    3) NL and Hamilton are out of racial compliance while OG (for a dearth of minorities) is also at risk of becoming out of compliance
    4) The proposed redistricting maps, which are scary, are from 2007. I believe new ideas will be offered up by the new consultant in June. It sounds like the BOE is aiming to settle on the space utilization and racial imbalance issues by early Fall.
    5) I have yet to hear why the BOE doesn’t want to challenge the state law in light of the US Supreme Court ruling a few years ago. Ultimately all our kids combined into 3 middle schools and 1 high school, so this so called disparity is only K-5.
    6) I think we should maintain the current districting with only a few adjustments to help get more kids into the under utilized schools. For Hamilton and NL we could bus to the NS and Parkway.

    Broadly speaking, coherent elementary school zones are a strong part of our community fabric. We should tread lightly on changing the zones.

    • FRF

      NM kindergarten enrollment for this fall is considerably lower.
      Was at orientation for my child two weeks ago
      Only 50 kids enrolled. For 5 classrooms.

  16. AJ

    Wow, kids that live only one block from the Hamilton Avenue school will have to go to Glenville. And Riverside kids having to go all the way to Byram at rush hour when they’re within walking distance of Riverside and Eastern? That’s insane. And why the busing at all? It’s not like parts of Greenwich are the getto; it’s not like one school has rich kids and others are filled kids from poor neighborhoods: there are no poor neighborhoods. When I went to Greenwich High, there were only a couple of black kids and maybe one Hispanic that I can recall; I guess things have changed, but I’m not sure how. Greenwich was much more affordable back then; lots of factory workers and assorted trades people, lots of blue collar workers, lived in Greenwich and OG — approximately fifty to sixty years ago.

    • Grr Mom

      2 of our schools are over 60% minority and have a high percentage of free and reduced lunch. While I’m not an advocate of bussing, we do need to balance our school communities better to increase the overall achievement in town. Come down to the new leb area where 3 families are sharing a rented, run down house and a car and tell me that there are no poor areas.
      More importantly is the under and over utilization of schools. Student population should be balanced so each school has the same facility resources. Currently, some K-5 schools have science labs and plenty of room for art, music, band, ALP/gifted, and special ed services. OTher schools are teaching special ed in closets and on the stage, providing gifted ed in the lunch room, and teaching music from a cart because the school is so overcrowded. It creates an inequity that effects all education in the schools. Schools with 500 kids have ptas that can raise tons of money to bring in science programs, writing specialists, buy computers and extras, etc while smaller and poorer schools can’t afford to do those things.
      I don’t think we need to bus Riverslide to New Leb (especially when Old Greenwich is partially empty) but we need to look at creative ways to balance things so the whole system can improve. The maps posted are from 2007 so ignore them and start paying attention to the Bored of Ed. They’ve been discussing this for awhile and its sad that no one except for a handful of school ptas paid attention.

      • Just_looking

        1. The belief that racial balance, diversity or any similar phrase improves anything is fiction. 2. Not equal does not always mean not fair.

      • Anonymous

        i think your conclusion that “balance” will increase overall achievement is flawed. bussing and absurd redistricting ruins the sense of community (for all involved) and ends up bringing down the higher achieving schools, while doing little to improve underperformers. Strong communities tend to lead to strong schools (riverside and OG are examples). racial imbalance has little to do with achievement or success or lack thereof. it would be nice for the BOE to examine the true effects of bussing and redistricting before they try to impose it on greenwich (look at Charlotte, NC as a good example). it would be also hard to argue that utilization has much to do with success either (Riverside School is overcapacity, but is the best school in the district). Again, i think parent/family involvement is the biggest determinant of success (OG/Riverside). So if the BoE wants to really tackle the “problem” they should really try to determine what the problem is…get more family involvement in the education of children. bussing and redistricting has the opposite effect.

      • hmmm

        So what that 2 schools are over 60% minority? What does that have to do with school performance? Is it the imbalance as to why the schools have poor performance? If it is the imbalance then why do schools that are imbalanced to the white side (or not the brown side because it certainly appears that that is the only metric being used and not Asian, South American, Europe, Australia etc…) do well. Why would it matter imbalance is imbalance correct? If I am not correct then does it have anything to do with the parents and the home life? If it is the second point then how does making the schools racially balanced help the minority? I suspect it doesn’t and until those parents in the minority schools start chipping in it will not matter where their kid goes to school, they will continue to do poorly (not all of them)…

  17. AJ

    I thought they already had everyone dumbed down to equally stupid. Well, if not, a new music hall will fix everything.

  18. InfoDiva

    Taxes in Riverside and OG are currently way too low and those in mid and back country are paying the shortfall. This proposal will certainly correct that imbalance. It will also expose the flight to the eastern end of town for what it is: a quest for homogeneity and a preference for an economically segregated school environment for the kids. It has nothing to do with educational quality and everything to do with who little Susie will be bringing home for play dates.

    • hmmm

      what? way too low? our houses sit side by side with much fewer roads (in terms of mileage). The town can plow our roads in shorter time than it takes them to do all of backcountry…what are you talking about?

      • The New Normal

        is that how taxes should be determined – how much road there is to plow? so Manhattan residences should pay next to nothing?

        the assessments on Riverside and OG are indeed far too low and will eventually be lifted, no doubt

        • hmmm

          yes that is how taxes should be calculated… you can move to riverside come on down…our town budget is 4xx and our schools suck

    • Anonymous

      Your so-called ‘homogeneity’ is short sighted and off-base. While I have nothing against diversity, per se, it is waaay over rated. Period. Having grown up in a very diverse Boston neighborhood then living nearly 20 years in Manhattan (including a stint at 137th St – where WE were the minority), I have had more than my share of it. And race has nothing to do with my aversion to it – its the social issues and lack of morals/values that often accompany the lower socioeconomic groups that are the issue. The very word “diversity” is a misnomer, why is brown skin the metric for it? why not measure how many non-US born kids are in a given school, which should include kids from all places including Europe, Asia, Australia, South America and so on; all of which would make a more rich and diverse learning opportunity for my kids than sharing lunch with some kid from the housing project. Why is brown skin the prerequisite yardstick?

      Now that I have young kids, I intentionally moved from NYC to Riverside (and spent a boatload to buy here) because of the family-minded community, of which elementary school is only one piece but a very important piece. Why do you feel the need to vilify those of us who are trying to make good choices for our family? Go live on 137th & Adam Clayton Powell Blvd for a few years, then we’ll talk….

      • Just_looking

        This intelligent thinking will never go too far. The audience is not accepting of fact.

      • CatoRenasci

        Well, you can always unload the place to another unsuspecting couple with kids moving up from the city and move. If you want mostly WASP, try Darien (if you want to be by the water) or New Canaan or Wilton. If you want a bit more diversity (but not socioeconomic) try Westport.

    • It’s amazing InfoDiva how you managed to get inside the heads of little Susie’s parents and read their minds. Who knew what evil thoughts were contained there? I’m sure when you interviewed those parents (and many others–you conducted a controlled study, right?) they fed you some hogwash about wanting a constructive and safe atmosphere for their child that would ensure her learning; but you, clever person, see right through their nonsense and reveal them for what they really are: RACISTS, RACISTS, RACISTS! Brilliant, I tell you.

  19. burningmadolf

    So finally someone will fight Sheff v O’Neill all the way to the SCUS?

  20. The New Normal

    it’s hard to tell on the map, but what is the exact cutoff in Riverside for Riverside Elementary vs New Lebanon Elementary – Riverside Ave?

    so anyone west of Riverside Ave is a loser overnight?

    • Mr. 85 Broad Street

      That’s what it looks like. Not sure if the west side of Riverside Avenue (the even numbers) all the way to St. Paul’s is impacted, but streets like Club Road, Gilliam, Glen Avon, Pinecrest sure are.

  21. greenwich dude

    the thing of it is, all of us greenwich homebuyers make our decisions around these districts as they currently stand. change the maps, and you will see homebuying change, but along the way you will piss off residents and make it way tougher to get re-elected.

    work on the root problem, rather than pissing everyone off for no gain.

  22. Anonymous

    como se dice en ingles, “estupido?”

  23. TraderVic

    If they move the rich waterfront communities out of Julian Curtis, then won’t Julian Curtis have too many minorities? I know it is currently on the edge. Perhaps someone could explain this map to me…? In addition, New Leb is bursting at the seams, how are they planning to accommodate all these bused-in students?

  24. Anon

    It might be worthwhile for someone to research, from a historical perspective, what redistricting/busing has taken place previously in Connecticut. Where has it happened? Was it successful? If it happened elsewhere, has it created any long term advantage to the students.

  25. Anonymous

    Are people seriously paying 4mm bucks for those crappy houses just to send their kids to riverside elementary? It’s 200k for the very best private elementary education, which is going to be far superior to any unionized state run system. Unless you have 10 kids it makes no sense.

    • The New Normal

      well you can bank the $200k/kid and theoretically get the $4mm back when you go to sell your house, unless….

      • Anonymous

        is cheaper to finance a more expensive house in good school zone than pony up, every year, lotsa cash for private school. esp if you have 2+ kids.

        except, now that plan is getting blown outta water…..

  26. Anonymous

    All your children are belong to us say the Hartford Commies.

  27. Just_looking

    I always find it interesting when a home sells for a number way above the towns assessed value (adjusting for the 0.7 factor). Clearly there is a bias of under valuing homes in certain areas, as I believe CF has mentioned in years past. This should be the first place to look for missing or unfair tax burdens.

  28. Anonymous

    You are missing a bigger piece of the story: BOE is also discussing redistricting that would send NoPo kids to Central rather than Eastern. And this is not based on 2007 maps.

  29. Anonymous

    buh-bye greenwich, hello stamford. cheaper housing, more able to afford private greenwich schools. chris you should start getting fluent in nice areas of stamford. westover, et al is but a hop skip & jump!

  30. Anonymous

    Not individually, but in aggregate maybe the kids at New Lebanon are just not as smart as the aggregate of the kids at Riverside. This is a factor that no amount of money or busing or any kind of government policy can fix.

    What’s with the unbelievable liberal delusion that there is no diversity in cognitive ability?

    Jason Richwine wrote his Harvard doctoral dissertation, “IQ and Immigration Policy, documenting a significant and meaningful difference between Mexican illegals and the entire – not Riverside, not Greenwich – native U.S. population.

    Richwine co-authored a similar piece at the Heritage Foundation, “The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer,” and was hounded out of his job by the lavishly funded pro-amnesty open borders crowd.

    Richwine’s work is extensively documented with huge data samples and unimpeachable statistical and other analysis, but because it challenged the basic tenets of liberal creationism – that there exists no racial cognitive diversity – he was hounded out of work for merely establishing fact.

    Busing won’t close the achievement gap, but it will give bureaucrats more power.

    • Anonymous

      it’s not that many of the kids aren’t smart, it’s that they don’t speak english as primary language, which is a huge huge huge setback at such an early age. based on dialogue i’ve had with a staffer at new leb, basically it’s one big taxpayer-funded babysitting facility while mama y papa go work to make a better life for themselves. absolutely nothing wrong with that, it’s the american dream. except, many kids don’t actually live in greenwich (insted using relative address in byram or chickahominy oftentimes) and the language and economic barriers contribute substantially in lowering the average scoring. smarter kids go backwards since they’re not challenged in school, and substantial resources are used to address remedial issues. i have friends who send their kids to new leb and thank goodness the parents are very smart and educated and supplement the schooling with lots of care & attention. their kids are, and will be, just fine. immigrant parents with no education and limited careers–do you honestly think they’re going to be able to help their children academically? of course not. it’s literally and statistically impossible.

      i have no answer on how to fix, because there isn’t one that doesn’t cross into boundaries defined by racism. and call a spade a spade: there’s plenty of parents in this town who don’t want little johnny and susie mixing with jose y maria. except, they’d never publicly say such a thing, and instead express it quietly with feet & wallet by moving to other parts of town.

      • Anonymous

        Richwine’s work is excellent.

        Your reluctance to touch the third rail is understandable. Richwine’s work negates the very identity, foundations, programs and the considerable power structure of the Progressive movement.

        There can be neither honest debate nor effective policy until “cognitive diversity” is acknowledged.

  31. Anonymous

    All this interest is great but unless we actively get involved in the process, then we are to blame. Commenting on a blog doesn’t influence our schools….

  32. Patrick

    What is so hilarious about this is that the legislature in Hartford is essentially trying to balance socioeconomic enrollment through race, yet a school like Riverside is close to balanced because of the number of wealthy South Americans that have congregated in the area. This I imagine is also true of the Asian community. It’s just insulting to people of hispanic background that somehow they need special treatment.

    • CatoRenasci

      Seems like a reasonable alternative for folks on the Western side of town who don’t have the social connections to get into Country Day (Greenwich or Rye), GA or Brunswick.

      • Anonymous

        We looked at a nice house in Blind Brook district. Priced at about 1.5mm and prop taxes at 21k. What’s the apples to apples Greenwich math? Comparable house in town (pre-bussing, that is) would be easily 1.5-2x the price and private school tuition 4x the annual Greenwich prop tax nut.

        Some of us out here could care less that it’s a Greenwich address. Consider, Rye Brook to Greenwich Ave. is same distance as Riverside to Greenwich Ave., so getting that Nutella crepe at Meli Melo is an equally annoying proposition.

        If I were a realtor, I’d advise my clients as to the alternative value propositions that are clearly out there, unless they’re just dead set on having that Greenwich mailing label.

        • The New Normal

          higher state income taxes in NY

          if you are a high earner, it matters

          but if looking at $1.5mm homes might not be an issue….

  33. Anonymous

    Long Time Greenwich Resident: you say Greenwich spends too little on education. Have you examined any facts, or do you make this stuff up? Greenwich spends more than almost every school district. And do you really think that a zip code determines values? Let me explain, or Chris can: a zip code is a five digit designation for mail delivery. It is a word. You might call it a label. On the other hand, a house is a real structure, a dwelling. If you drop both the zip code and the house on your foot, which one will hurt you? Houses’ characteristics are real. Zip codes are labels. If changing the zip code for Orchard Street will increase values, will calling a Toyota by the name Ferrari also change its value?

    Another thing: our problems come from Hartford, and our solutions must be targeted there. This racial imbalance law is the dysfunctional dream of some former batch of liberal legislators in Hartford. As always, liberal *good* intentions are never measured against the real adverse results. The real power is PTA mommies combined with teacher unions. Do you remember that each community struggles with its police and firemen union pensions, but the teachers’ pensions are funded not locally (where you could influence them) but bystate income taxes to Hartford. Thus the teachers pensions are protected from local influence, and local realities.

    • Long Time Central Greenwich Resident

      Two points here- school expenditures per pupil and the relationship between zip codes and our tax base.

      The amounts spent on schools in Connecticut farther from NYC are not comparable to what Greenwich spends. It is likely much less costly to run the schools the farther you go from New York City.

      This is a recent posting of the amounts spent per pupil in Connecticut.

      Click to access basiccon.pdf

      As it likely includes free lunch for students who need it, Greenwich may be spending much less per pupil than Darien or New Canaan. This article says that municipalities have to cover some of the free lunch cost:


      Our competitors in Westchester spend an awful lot more on their schools and have the highest rated schools in the country. We lack some basic services in our schools, like help for lagging students. This help is a MUST. People are dragged through the system with no results if we do not offer this help. Even if one is not a good athlete, being able to go out for a sports team is important to development. We do not have this option either for those who do not make select teams.

      With the zip code issue, it is something that needs to be looked at carefully. Putting homes into a less expensive zip code that really does not fit their location is plain stupid for the town. Inappropriate zip codes can have the effect of devaluing property, and surely do from the comments about Cos Cob on this blog.

      While the zip code allocation is purely within the power of the US Postal Service, the town can have a lot of influence on what the zip codes should be.

      We are likely leaving a lot of money on the table that could be used for the town’s benefit by failing to tackle the issue of a big slice of Greenwich being inappropriately labed as Cos Cob by the U.S. Postal Service. The town should explore whether dividing 06807 into two zip codes, one of which would be called Greenwich, and the other Cos Cob, would benefit us townwide by raising our tax base. If the answer is yes, we ought to start a dialogue with the U.S. Postal Service to change the zip codes to our town’s benefit.

      • Anonymous

        this is absurd. you’re advocating a rejiggering maps so as to get more money to spend on schooling, as if throwing money will solve the problems. guess what? it won’t.

        vehemently enforce residency status and that eliminates at least 25% of the problem right off the top. our taxes pay for our kids’ schooling. period. kids from another town are that other town’s problems.

        and the notion that every kid should have a chance to play on sports teams as crucial for development? what kind of malarky is that? in case you never did it as a kid, here’s how it works: you try out, you make it, or you don’t. if you don’t, maybe you practice and try next year, or you move on to something else. that’s a free life lesson for kids right there.

  34. D

    7PM on June 6th at the Havemeyer Building @ 290 Greenwich Ave

    Click to access BoardMtgs2012-2013_Rev022813.pdf

    • Riverside Chick

      Someone please bring a 5 year old to the meeting for these dumbasses to see who they are sticking on a bus for at least a 45 min to an hour bus ride(including all the bus stops). If the 5 year old misses the bus , standing there, 1/2 hour away from their home in an unfamiliar area could totally wander away and get lost or worse. These kids are 5 for Gods sake!!!!!!

  35. Anonymous

    imagine a bus full of kids who’s bladders are busting at the seams for 45 minutes. remind me to not apply for part time bus driver job next year.