Liar, liar, pants on fire

I did not have sex with the American people!

I did not (have sex with) the American people!

Jonah Greenberg on Obama’s big lie (well, his latest one).

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people,” he told the American Medical Association in 2009. “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

No matter how you slice it, that was a lie. As many as 16 million Americans on the individual health-insurance market may lose their insurance policies. Just in the last month, hundreds of thousands have been notified by their insurers that their insurance will be canceled.

Ah, but they’ll get better ones!

That appears to be the new rationalization for Obama’s bait-and-switch. “Right now all that insurance companies are saying is, ‘We don’t meet the requirements under Obamacare, but we’re going to offer you a better deal!’” explained Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday.

A better deal according to whom? Say I like my current car. The government says under some new policy I will be able to keep it and maybe even lower my car payments. But once the policy is imposed, I’m told my car now isn’t street-legal. Worse, I will have to buy a much more expensive car or be fined by the IRS. But, hey, it’ll be a much better car! Why, even though you live in Death Valley, your new car will have great snow tires and heated seats.

This is what the government is saying to millions of Americans who don’t want or need certain coverage, including, for instance, older women — and men — who are being forced to pay for maternity care. Such overcharging is necessary to pay for the poor and the sick signing up for Obamacare or for the newly expanded Medicaid.

At the 2008 Democratic National Convention, Obama talked at great length about the middle class and not once about the poor. His critics on the right said he was lying, that he was really more interested in income distribution. Such charges were dismissed as paranoid and even racist. But the critics were right. Obama was lying either to himself or to the rest of us — because he was playing the game to win.

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  1. Greenwich Taxpayer

    Obama is now trying to put the blame for the cancelled policies on “rouge” insurance companies. Really? Face it. He (and the parrot) Jim Homes lied. The fact of the matter is that the “New”plans being offered are more money period. I’ve done the math and I will ne paying at least $5,000 more out of pocket. To add insult to injury because I am in Fairfield County the premiums are higher so we can subsidize the rest of the state, as usual. Obama lied and we get to pay through the nose. Can you tell I’m livid?

    • Speak to Fudrucker: he’ll tell you it’s a privilege to help your fellow man and you should be grateful, not resentful.

      Let me know how that works.

    • Joey

      You are not subsidizing the rest of the state by living in Fairfield County. You are just paying more to your doctor so he/she can have the latest BMW and send their kids to private schools. You know these things cost money.

      • hmmm

        Joey,

        do you opposed everyone getting rich or just doctors? Explain to me why someone who spends 10+ years getting educated in the medical field and then requires a lot of continuing education should not have the opportunity to send their kids to private schools and drive a bmw or whatever?

        You might have a point but I would like to hear it.

        • Joey

          No. I am all for people getting rich. Do doctors deserve the kind of money to send their kids to private schools and drive hot cars? The market in the US seems to think so. In my humble opinion some specialists (I am not talking about the allergist types) deserve it but your everyday doctor probably shouldn’t. Doctors in other developed countries earn a better than honest living and are revered but are by no means rich. In the US doctors are like travelling sales men/women peddling their wares just trying to get more money out of the patient (should read insurance). I think it is a good thing that the insurance is squeezing these guys. Just ask a doctor how things are going. They will show you long face. The gig is up.

          But my point is not really to rail on doctors. What I was saying in last post is that doctors earn more in Greenwich than in Hartford because the cost of living is higher in Greenwich. Hence your insurance should be higher in Fairfield County. And that is what we see. There is no grand conspiracy why the exchange is charging more for a policy in Greenwich. We are not subsidizing anyone—except maybe the Greenwich doctor if you think myself.

          And for the record I send my kids to private schools and drive a 10 year old Ford.

          • And who are you to determine what another human being “deserves”? Are you aware that there are people; the next Mayor of New York, for instance, who don’t feel anyone “deserves” to be able to send a child to private school? How do you decide between your version of fairness and deBlasio’s? Or mine, which is, I assure you, entirely different from either yours or the consumer advocate in Manhattan.

        • Joey

          I don’t determine what an individual deserves on a macro level. Neither you nor I really have that power. These are just my opinions. In a free market economy individuals and providers determine supply, demand and price. When the free market is not possible as shown by our current healthcare situation the government needs to step-in and fill the gaps. Perhaps Obamacare is not the way but it is at least worth a try. At least it is an idea with a plan. It can’t be any worse than what we already have—-a bloated industry and millions of individuals who either cannot afford health care or are willing not to pay for any of it and just leave the bill for the rest of us to pay through higher premiums.

          Long long ago (I think I was Jenny Li’s age) I learned that living through ideology and hate was not the way to go. Everyday you got wake up and be for something and actually do something about it. Not lofty ideals and talk. But a specific plan and action. I am all for the power of the individual but you have to take note when this does not work. Life is not an all or nothing proposition.

          Have a Good Day

          • My philosophy is, don’t just do something, stand there! Or, to reference the doctors whose labor you want to confiscate, “first, do no harm”.
            A bad plan is worse than none.

        • AJ

          Anybody can drive a Beemer, I myself am driving a twenty year old e36, the last of the made to last models, with subsequent models being made more affordable to the general public, but with all sorts of durability problems, but still pretty attractive with models like the 1 series being a very sharp looking car. But you’re forgetting that before the doctor can go out and buy his LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MANY OTHER CARS BMW, he has to meet his expenses, not least amongst them being liability insurance, which for OB/GYNs, for instance, ranges from $100,000 to $200,000 per year.

          What will happen and has already been happening by regulating how much a doctor can earn is that the best and brightest will not enter medicine but find some other career. America will end up like Canada where almost ALL of the doctors are from third world countries; where you can’t get medical treatment unless you’re referred by a primary care doctor which you can’t get because of a shortage of doctors and no doctors are taking new patients.

          Of course you could go to an emergency room where you could sit for twenty-four hours and still no one has seen you. Or you could go to a clinic first thing in the morning when their waiting room is empty, where you’ll be told they’re all filled up for the day and have them refuse to see you. If you live in Quebec you could cross over into Ontario where the service is a little more efficient (by not much), but if you do, you’ll be on your own because Quebec insurance doesn’t cover treatment received in Ontario.

          Of course, none of this may be important to you because it’s all for the greater good. That’s until it’s your kid lying on the operating table with his life on the line, in a second rate facility that you’ve been forced to use, with a third rate doctor not capable of thinking, and with limited knowledge and expertise at best.

          BTW, the American way is to charge as much as you wish, potential customers, clients, and patients are always free to go somewhere else. But it seems to me that in my life I’ve heard very little bitching about how someone was charging too much. Most of it has been about how someone was charging too little and trying to undercut the competition and force everyone to work for less. This is certainly the Democrat point of view, otherwise they would open up all those government jobs to non union workers, and choose defined contribution retirement plans over defined benefit ones.

          If ObamaCare is so wonderful, why did Congress chose to write after the fact legislation exempting themselves?

  2. “current car” explanation best yet…BUT….We can no longer afford private car ownership ….in order to protect our single payer health kare system…..will be down the road…..of course after we payoff the union voters by spending rebuilding our crumbling roads…..

  3. Riverside

    The only thing wrong about the “current car” analogy is we are not really even getting the new car with “the snow tires, etc.” At least in that example you are actually getting snow tires you don’t need. With the new health policies we are paying for things (i.e. maternity care) that many won’t need or therefore ever “get”, so the higher payments are just a backdoor subsidy for other people.

  4. TEACH A MAN TO FISH

    Premium increase 47%, Deductible increase 155%, Out of network choices 0%, OBAMA’S LIES PRICELESS

  5. Anonymous

    This was all planned and is part of the broader wealth redistribution program. Anyone making over $46K per year is required to pay higher premiums in order to provide free healthcare for those making below that level. The exisiting plans were essentially regulated out of of the market.

    Once again the middel-class get screwed.

  6. Anonymous

    Nixon got impeached for bugging two buildings.

    Obama lied repeatedly and significantly to pass ObamaKare – legislation reviled by the majority of the nation.

    Obama is spying on the entire nation in violation of a slew of laws and the 4th Amendment, and the progressive fucktards still love him.

    • Anonymous

      Obama, biggest fraud in the history of the Republic.

    • Joey

      Oh dear I feel that you guys are going to start posting birth certificate denying stuff next. Take a break from Fox and take a nap.

      • Have you noticed that you regressives have taken to referring to our Texan senator as the “Canadian Ted Cruz”?

        • hmmm

          of course he hasn’t

          he is right you are wrong

        • Joey

          As far as I am concerned Senator Cruz is from Texas and that is a good enough reason for me to think he is full of $hit. He is smart though!!!

        • AJ

          “… Cruz is from Texas and that is a good enough reason for me to think he is full of $hit. …”

          It is the same sort of generalization, the same sort of enlightened reasoning that is used to paint all Blacks as illiterate thieves.

      • Anonymous

        You don’t have to watch Fox to recognize the failures of this president. Perhaps those lemmings who blindly support and promote this administration should actually take a fair look at what is going on and stop the denial.

        • Since they deny logic: we can raise the minimum wage to any level with no effect on employment; raise taxes to any level with no effect on people’s willingness to work; and we can print money forever with no effect on inflation, why expect them to have any ability to reason at all?

        • EOSredux

          Joey, not all of us get our stance on Obama being a thug from Fox. I barely watch that network anymore. Some of us read a wide variety of publications, both from the left and right perspective, and gosh, we even have the ability to form our own opinions!!! I’m sure it’s hard for a progressive to grasp that concept.

      • AJ

        Joey, I think you are a bit confused: Obama was born in the USA. But the confusion is understandable, as it is all blowback from Obama’s own lies and scams. Obama’s real father is American communist Frank Marshall Davis. It was Obama himself who decided to be Kenyan so that he could be a foreign exchange student. It was on the dust jacket flap of his own book that he portrayed himself as Kenyan. This is the same Obama who in that same book described a girlfriend that didn’t exist. Why was it that James Frey was totally discredited when it was found out that his book “A Million Little Pieces” was a lie, yet Obama is given a free pass for doing exactly the same thing, writing an autobiography that’s a lie?

        Obama’s real American father:

  7. Anonymous

    Impeach the lier.

  8. Publius

    The health care “insurance” idea is a canard. There is no such thing as health care insurance today. The closest thing to insurance is as CF mentions is “catastrophic” coverage. Why? Insurance in a classic sense is a mechanism to shift risk between parties. This is still true today in the life and casualty (home, auto, general liability etc) businesses. People are looking to protect themselves from AN event so they are willing to pay someone (a premium) to take on that risk of the event occurring. Actuaries will take various inputs and crank out the premium required that will provide an acceptable return to the provider and an acceptable cost to the purchaser. There is only 1 claim on a life insurance policy (assuming no fraud) and auto/home policies are written such that they only cover certain non-recurring events. I am not sure there are auto policies that exist that allow you to submit claims for filling the tank with gas, changing the oil or having it washed. If there where the premiums would be significantly higher than what you would pay today.

    Yet health “insurance” allows you to submit claims for essentially filling the tank with gas or changing the oil. The result? High “premiums”, because in effect health “insurance” is a combination of catastrophic coverage combined with a pre-paid scheme for routine maintenance. The bundling of these 2 components combined with a complete lack of any understanding of the cost of health care or the premiums leads us to where we are today. So what you end up with is an expensive “product” that begs for reform. Part of the bundling issue was driven by regulations primarily at the state level (Every state has their own insurance commission that establishes rules for offering policies of any type within the respective state). The states also established community ratings for health care policies sold within the state. Community ratings without going into detail, establishes pricing benchmarks that insurers can charge based on the individual. Usually it is measured by a ratio that indicates the premium spread between the healthiest and sickest individual. In some cases like New York state, the community rating was 1:1, meaning that insurers offering individual health policies could only offer 1 premium price for a particular plan regardless of the health of the individual. And what do you think happened to that private market for individual health policies in New York? Yes, that is correct, it virtually disappeared.That’s why we need Obamacare!!!!

    Unfortunately, instead of allowing people to make choices about what works best for them and building a policy that works for them (like auto or life) we get the dictate and what you see now is the result. The economic underpinnings of ACA are tenuous at best and can only succeed in theory, which is why this Rube Goldberg contraption will not succeed. The ACA was written by ideological policy wonks that get their government health care paid for by me and you. These folks were and are absolutely clueless and no matter what changes come to a web site, this thing is toast. Those that think this is just a tech “glitch” are whistling past the graveyard; not a surprise from the Progressive peanut gallery.

  9. Peg

    If Joey thinks that our recent, pre-ACA health care was essentially “free market” then he is smoking more of that weed which may soon become legal while tobacco falls by the wayside. The “current system” that doesn’t allow us to purchase products and services across state lines – like virtually anything else – and that has reams of regulation up the wazoo is no more “free market” than what Marx wanted. We’re just getting something a bit more advanced (and crappier) with Obamacare. That’s all.

    Market forces in health care, combined with care for those who TRULY are in need would work all right – if we only let it.