Smart diplomacy

 

What could possibly go wrong?

What could possibly go wrong?

Obama pressures Israelis to shut up about their concerns for security.

After a prominent retired Israeli general spoke out against IDF withdrawal from the Jordan Valley, Israeli media reported that the Obama administration’s head envoy to the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, Martin Indyk, convened a meeting of Israeli security officials. He pressured them to drop their objections to the plan and make media appearances in support of it to help sell a skeptical Israeli public on the benefits of a reduction in security.

Hey, it works here, but Israel doesn’t have a captive press, as Obama does.

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  1. Libertarian Advocate

    Hey, it works here, but Israel doesn’t have a captive press, as Obama does.
    Hmmmm… seems you already forgotten the words of MSM alleged Doyenne Bab-bah Wahwah on his Magificence the Great & Wonderful Boz:

    “We thought that he was going to be – I shouldn’t say this at Christmastime, but – the next messiah.”

    That statement of course reveals all one needs to know about the supposed acuity of MSM talking heads…. Pathetic really.

  2. Inagua

    It might not be smart diplomacy, but it is an attempt to begin to contain the Israeli Occupation of the West Bank. Israel has been doing to the West Bank what Saddam tried to do in Kuwait — administer land conquered by war. Israel has been doing it for 47 years now. it began with “security outposts.” Then wives and children were allowed to live with the soldiers stationed there.. These became “settlements”, which became “facts on the found,” which soon became renamed Judea and Samaria. There are now over 300,000 Israelis living in this conquered territory.

    • Mazama

      Yes, and there are about 60,000,000 Muslims living in the territory they conquered during the past 1,400 years. Ask the Copts, Greeks, Armenians, etc., about the Islamic occupation of their territory, you ignorant tool.

    • Yos

      They were never “renamed” Judah and Samaria… those are the original names. Jews had been living there prior to Arab conquest, during Arab conquest and all through the modern era. It’s an historical fact thing – you wouldn’t understand.

      Oh, and by the way, speaking of “renaming” – those people were the ones renamed… as “Palestinian” when Jordan refused them citizenship. It’s an Arab caste thing – you wouldn’t understand.

      And since you mentioned it, who was it who started that war of conquest where the Israelis reclaimed control of Judah and Samaria? Never mind – you wouldn’t understand.

      Don’t whine about others’ lack of critical thinking skills until you’ve sorted the differences between reasoning and cherry-picking facts.

      • Inagua

        I am glad you acknowledge that “Israelis reclaimed control of Judah and Samaria” in 1967. Many israeli apologists still refer to it as a temporary occupation necessary to maintain security. But we know that temporary occupiers do not stay for over 46 years and move in over 300,000 settlers, don’t we? And we know that Israel’s long term goal is annexation, don’t we? But the time is not yet ripe to admit to a policy that many Americans might not approve.

        • Yos

          “We” do not “know” that the long-term goal is annexation, do “we”?

          In fact, the demographics alone of such a move would prove most severely undesirable, a strategic blunder far worse than statehood for the Palis. It is exactly the same for Jordan, the former landlord. This is old news, buddy.

          So, contrary to your nonsense, the goal is statehood for the Palis. That has but one condition: the end of the Palestinian fetish for the destruction of Israel and it’s active work to secure it’s borders from wackos.

          You speak of Israeli settlers… Why is it you never mention Arab “settlers”? Simple fact on the ground is that nearly two of three Arabs in Judah and Samaria were forced out of their native Arab lands and exiled to “Palestine.” What, you think Arafat was born in Jenin? Arab genocide and displacement of lower-caste Arabs is a tragedy of huge proportions.

          Further, for the oppressed Palis to have a State of their own would be marvelous for everyone. Imagine the stick-in-the-eye to the Arab world that a prosperous Palestine would be? For that to happen, they’d have to give up their priority of hating the Israelis and establish internally the freedoms necessary for economic and political liberty – especially for Arab women, the most oppressed of all.

          It’s pathetic that the ONLY Arabs who live in freedom and security in the ME happen to be Israeli. And if some Jooooz happen to live in the new Palestine, this should be a problem?

          Apparently yes, for some.

        • Inagua

          Yos – You might think that annexation is undesirable because of the demographic inconvenience of the several million Palestinians, but that not make State Policy. Indeed, the Israeli Right, which currently controls the government has never wavered it this goal. Remember that Menachem Begin founded the Herut Party on the slogan “To the Banks of the Jordan River.” When Herut merged with other Rightist parties to form Likud and Begin became party leader and then Prime Minister, he never retreated from this position. And his successor, Yitzhak Shamir, stated that, “The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya, and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country.”

          The current Likud Prime Minister is more circumspect in his public pronouncements, but he is following an aggressive program of continued settlement in the Occupied Territories that is consistent with the goal of Eretz Israel. If you disagree, then you tell me the reason for the settlements.

          Neither side wants a Palestinian state because the dispute is about the land, and neither side wants to share or divide it. Both sides mouth Palestinian statehood as a talking point because they know it keeps the US aid money flowing. The Israelis are already substantially secure behind their border fence, and they could withdraw from the Occupied Territory without any significant security risk at any time. But the Israelis stay because they want everything to the river, although they do not openly admit it. But Israeli actions speak volumes.

  3. Inagua, there is a large difference between Kuwait and the West Bank. Kuwait did not launch three wars and hundreds of terror attacks against Iraq.

    • Inagua

      Correct. That history and Israel’s go slow approach has worked so far. But that might change as the argument grows thin. For example, the article Chris linked deals with the extreme limit of Israeli ambition, the Jordan River, and justify the continued military occupation because withdrawal “would enable the transit of terrorists and arms through Jordan into the West Bank.” But the West Bank is already full of terrorists and arms. And Israel built a wall to stop them from getting in. When was the last time you heard of a suicide bomber? All the Palestinians have been able to do for many years is shoot off rockets and mortars. And that will be a threat where ever the border is drawn. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, and it has been on a successful stealth campaign to get it for 47 years.

      • Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to build settlements on the West Bank, continuing to blow up the ‘peace process’. Every US President has bowed to the Israelis; let’s see if this one can stand up, or be cowed like everyone in the past 50 years.
        When going back to the 1967 borders is discussed, the neocons who brought us Iraq go nuts.

  4. Anonymous

    To quote Inagua: “All the Palestinians have been able to do for many years is shoot off rockets and mortars. And that will be a threat where ever the border is drawn”

    Oh, that’s all, is it? As if that were an acceptable way to expect any nation and its citizens to live.
    Your comment only proves why Israel will continue to insist on defensible borders and a peace partner that genuinely wants peace — and who understands the deifnition of peace to include no mortars or rockets being fired. Why should Israel be forced to create a hostile enemy state as its neighbor?

    also, claiming that israel is seeking to expand to the Jordan River is just an outright falsehood. Territorial concessions have been the core of every peace initiative of the last 20 years. Look no further than the three land for peace deals Israel put on the table since 2000 (all rejected by the other side) .

    • Yos

      The Paleostinians can have their State tomorrow. All it will take is one simple thing: Recognize the right of Israel to exist. They prefer, however, hatred of the Joooo to the love of life.

    • Inagua

      “also, claiming that israel is seeking to expand to the Jordan River is just an outright falsehood.”

      Do you think this guy is lying? Or misquoted?

      “The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya, and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country.”
      — Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

  5. Walt

    Let’s look at this logically. Shall we, you little fucktards, or is that above your pay grade? You morons. You all sicken me.

    You need to pick a partner. Someone you can coexist with. Someone you can trust. Someone you would trust to wash your balls, and not worry about them CUTTING THEM OFF!!

    So do you pick someone who has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF CUTTING OFF YOUR FRIGGING HEAD, or a normal person? Really hard decision, right?

    Netanyahu is a proven leader, unsupported by our gay girly boy. He defines honor and commitment, while our leader defines camel sex and Reggie Love.
    It is a disgrace.

  6. Walt

    Dude –
    I think my last post was to harsh. I apologize. I didn’t mean to offend our diaper headed pig hating slums. What is their problem with bacon anyway? What do they propose? Eggs and figs? Give me a frigging break.

    And the Jews aren’t perfect. No one is. You don’t think they could make a better bagel? Of course they could. But they have to pinch the penny. They can’t help themselves.

    BUT THEY ARE CIVILIZED!! THEY DON’T DRIVE PLANES INTO BUILDINGS!! When are the sand dwelling slums going to stand up to that level of civility? That is when they will deserve respect. Until then, I have no respect for their culture. Plus I am circumcised, which may have influenced my decision.

    But I don’t even like knishes. I don’t even know what a knish is. You frigging knish. But I do like potato pancakes. Is that a Jew thing or a German thing?

    And name me one hot slum? I CAN’T THINK OF ONE!! The Jews have Bar what’s her name, and Sarah Silverman, who is also Orthodox, meaning she is a real serious Jew, with big tits, and she is funny. Show me a diaper head who can top that.

    And Natalie Portman, who is a really pretty smart Jew. Meaning really pretty and really smart. WHO DO THE TOWEL HEADS HAVE TO MATCH THIS?? NO ONE!! You camel back riding heathen!!

    I rest my case.
    And don’t get me started on the Pollacks or Wop’s.

    You WASP loser.

    Your Pal,
    Walt

  7. GWChase

    It’s easy for us to give away Israel’s security as we are not the one’s who will be on the receiving end – now if Canada had the H bomb, maybe things would be different.
    Oh, and by the way, look at how far Israel has come while the “locals” are complaining!!! Time for the Arabs to wake up!!!
    GW