As I predicted

Paul Palmer (Greenwich Time)

Paul Palmer (Photo credit, Bob Luckey, Greenwich Time)

The teens who told 89-year-old Paul Palmer to mind his own business when he warned them not to go out on the ice, and then fell through, attend Country Day. Nothing like a private school for inculcating a fine sense of entitlement and superiority in its students. Too bad the world’s full of thin ice.

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  1. anon

    Don’t most private school kids belong to the Greenwich Skating Club? Why would they be out in public?

  2. anon

    LOL: said the 16-year-old boy, who did not want his name used.

    I’m sure his parents are beaming with pride that he paid attention in science class.

  3. i wonder if Mr. Palmer has seen any drunk Norwegians?

  4. NoGolfToday

    Told you they were dead fish.

  5. weakleyhollow

    God didn’t put thin ice there, Darwin did.

  6. housecat

    Aren’t they a little old to be at Country Day, or has the Red-Shirting thing just gotten waaaay out of hand?

    • Riverslide

      I think it said he remembered something from GCDS, not that he was there currently.

      Funny the article didn’t say he declined or refused to give his name. It said he didn’t want it used in the paper. That suggests the paper had a name, but honored his desire, for some reason. I wonder if they’d do such a favor for anyone.

    • NoGolfToday

      “Meanwhile, one of the boys, soaked chest-deep in the icy water, recalled a lesson from his ninth-grade science class at Greenwich Country Day School: If you ever fall through thin ice, use the ice shelf to pull yourself out. Then lie flat to help evenly distribute your weight and crawl back to land.”

      That was from GT article
      States it was a memory of a class he had…

      So, where could he be now?
      Brunswick? GHS? King?

      • Don’t know, but odd that he forgot the last part about “crawling back to land” and had to wait for the fire department. No wonder he’s 16 and still at CDS.

        • AJ

          Usually you can’t pull yourself out: there’s nothing slipperier than wet ice.

          • Decent emergency gear is two short pieces of dowel, each spiked with a large nail and tied to a line like that your mother used to keep your mittens near you.
            Of course, making and carrying such gear requires more foresight than these two seem capable of but Darwin will out…
            Update: hah! Just checked your Amazon link and see that someone has commercialized that concept. I wonder if he was able to convince the patent office that it was a novel idea?

        • AJ

          It’s easy to patent things that are not novel ideas. The patent office is online and you can check out all the patents you want for free on their site. I haven’t checked it out in a while, but I used to like to check out hull designs because it’s something I know a lot about, and what I found was that most patents on hull designs were for something that already existed or was just a slightly new combination of existing state of the art, say, for instance, a placing of steps near the front of the hull so that a light or loose rear end of a stepped hull was countered by less drag on the front; something that anybody could have figured out, and was just an application of current, or already existing state of the art, and I’m talking about utility patents, not design patents. You could say pretty much the same thing for Ray Hunt’s deep vee or Harry Schole’s delta conic designs, not to take away anything from either of these great very successful designs.

          What was novel in these patents was their description of their idea. I would guess that patent reviewers are not knowledgeable about everything they review, and so, just end up reviewing descriptions for novelty. So I would have to say that getting patented is more a case of novel writing than novel ideas.

          Anyhow patents are not easy to defend. One of the guys I knew from an industrial design firm I worked at came up with the mirror that you attached to your shower so you could shave in the shower with a mirror that wouldn’t fog up in his spare time. He patented the idea, had them manufactured, packaged, made a TV commercial and distributed them – a very successful product. But he went out of business because copycats kept coming up with knockoffs. He kept defeating them in court, but every time he did, they’d just pop up under a new corporate name and he’d have to go to court all over again; eventually he gave up.

          Another example would be one of my grandfathers who was financed by the CEO of one of the biggest life insurance companies back at the beginning of the last century to come out east and start a company for his invention which was a compressor that he built on his lathe that you put in your basement and hooked up to your icebox in the kitchen so that instead of having to put ice in your ice box — pre refrigerator days — you could make ice in your ice box. That company also flourished for a while but they could not maintain control of that idea.

          Copyrights are much easier to defend, with the exception of bit torrents – fortunately most people don’t get their stuff that way. Patents are useful for marketing though, but in that regard, a design patent is just as good as a utility patent as far as claiming your product is patented, but a copyright offers more protection and lasts longer than a design patent — you can always go for both.

      • Toonces

        I can tell you where they’re not: at GHS on their way to becoming Intel semi-finalists.

        • Anonymous

          Actually, the event occurred at 1:14 pm. GHS kids home due to midterms…private schools still in session at that hour yesterday.
          But this really isn’t about what school they attend- this behavior comes directly from dad and mom…or nanny and au pair.

          • Oh, I was just joshing about the school, and of course, there’d be no humor in any of this had there been a death. As it is, the only injury appears to have been to the fire engine’s oil pan, damaged by a speed bump while racing to the rescue. So that frees us to make light of the incident. I’m delighted the kids are safe, but again, how fortunate for them, and us, to have a man like Paul Palmer around who saw a responsibility to keep an eye on them even after they told him to buzz off, and responded when his concern came true.

        • housecat

          Geez, everyone… Really? I guess your snark detectors are on vacation this week.

  7. Anonymous

    CF, you said it right….a couple of ENTITLED kids who think they are above the law—well guess what they aren’t above the law of physics…..interesting no parents around or quoted for the story.

    • anon

      You mean a quote from the parents like “he’s a good boy”.

      I’m trying to think what I’d do if this were my doofus kid. First, I’d make them pay, with their own money, whatever it cost the town to rescue them. Then I’d make them write a long letter to Mr Palmer. I might even make them publicly apologize in a small display ad in GT, using their names!

      • Well showing up at the door, kids in tow, to thank him for his concern and care and having the kids apologize for sassing him would seem sufficient. Besides, Mr. Palmer has put up with guff from kids for so long (I never sassed him – I’m from an older generation, but I won’t claim to have been a perfect angel in the neighborhood either; in fact, “holy terror” would be more apt), he’s used to it.

      • Anonymous

        anon….lets put it another way—lets just say the kids died in that pond. Do you think that ol’ man Palmer would be held LIABLE for not doing something about it? You betja. It would have been nice to read in the story the parents gratitude for Palmer who, after all, saved their kids’ lives.

        • anon

          I’m not sure where you are going Anonymous but Palmer would never be held legally liable if the boys drowned. It was his moral compass that led him to keep an eye on the boys and call for help. He had no legal obligation to do so.

          But yes, it would be nice for the parents to say something publicly kind about the man who saved their lives.

  8. Anonymous

    I think the brats of Greenwich are evenly distributed between private schools and public schools. The town is primarily a place of privilege, and bad behavior is ultimately learned at home. That being said, these kids should certainly thank him in person for his concern and wisdom.

  9. anon

    If anyone is ready for a little hilarity from soon to be Ambassadors from the USA to Hungary and Norway, look no further than this video in a post from White House Dossier. Read his article first, its full of great snark, then watch.

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2014/01/24/wh-defends-witless-ambassador-pick/

  10. Cos Cobber

    In other news, a delegation of 43 Cos Cob kids had the highest score in some county wide computer based math game. Over 1100 kids participated. Looking back, looks like the Cob came second last fall in the same program.

  11. Anon

    Isn’t that nice that GCDS now lets in kids from Riverside. Cos Cob next?

  12. Riverside

    The GCDS kids I have known have been mostly well mannered and good students. Negativity because their parents can afford to send them to private school is not fair to the kids. Truth is (almost) every kid in Greenwich is financially privileged compared to other places.

  13. Once

    I wonder if the parents have considered a lecture to the little darlings about “respect for elders”. I pulled a dog out of that pond myself when I was a teenager. It was very grateful.

    • Anonymous

      I’m guessing the dog wasn’t raised by a nanny while the parents were getting licquored up at “the club.”

  14. pulled up in OG

    These snot-nosed punks from the Circle or riff-raff from upper Willowmere?

  15. sound beacher

    So true Riverside. These last few comments are so funny, great laugh on a Friday!! Thks.

  16. AJ

    That pond is 100% saltwater so it takes a while to freeze. You never know with ice until you start chopping holes in it with an ax, and then there still can be thin spots. That’s why it’s a good idea to carry some of these so you can pull yourself out in case you fall through.

    http://www.amazon.com/HT-Enterprises-Safety-Lanyard-Orange/dp/B000L89KQG/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1390602371&sr=1-1&keywords=ice+picks+fishing

  17. Walt

    Dude –
    These kids were very young, and if not for the most attentive Mr. Palmer, they could have died. Then they would have been dead babies.

    Did someone say dead baby?

    When is the best time to bury that baby you killed?
    When it starts talking to you again.

    Your Pal,
    Walt

  18. Anon

    How do you make a dead baby float? Two scoops of ice cream, two scoops of dead baby.

  19. Anonymous

    Sounds like Paul is a stand-up guy. Is Tim Palmer his son? Boy, the apple fell very far from that tree.

  20. Once

    Paul Palmer is a great guy. Eagle Scout, served honorably in the US Navy during WW2, worked with the scouts when his kid became one, Volunteer Fire Chief at OG.

  21. Crazy Cat Lady

    This is a series of VERY snarky comments. Teenagers are the same whether they are at private schools or public schools. They do NOT LISTEN to their elders regardless. GCDS is a great school that teaches all of the best morals and ideals. And yes parent involvement is key. Having said that, I know kids that do very stupid stuff regardless of the messages preached at home or at school, just because they are at the age where their brains are very impulsive and do not always listen to adult reason. Unfortunately, those teens and young adults seem to only learn hard lesson by mistakes made!!!!

  22. Anonymous

    Perhaps Greenwich Country Day could add a new curriculm call “Street Smarts and Wintertime” and “Listening To Elders (who did not go to Country Day).” This could justify raising the tuition by $10k a year and save a few lives in the process.

  23. Anonymous

    Fire truck damaged during rescue. Cost to fix: $640,000.