Feel better now?

Connecticut spending per pupil is up, in constant dollars, 170% since 1972 while SAT scores have declined. The liberals’ response is to increase that spending because surely, if enough money is thrown into the system things will improve, just as the War on Poverty, trillions of dollars later, has eradicated poverty.

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  1. TheWizard

    The liberals’ response is to increase that spending

    In one of my very few brushes with celebrity, I spoke with Oliver North about this very subject on his radio show – 20 years ago.

    My how times don’t change.

  2. Patrick

    This chart is deceptive. Dollars increase purely by inflation. Everything increases in cost aignificantly over the tears. A house in riverside in 1972 was less than $50,000 as an example.

    On the other hand there is no concept of inflation for SAT’s. Show this chart for any period of time and it will always look the same. I’d like to see this in inflation adjusted dollars.

    • Publius

      Constant dollars = inflation adjusted. See bottom left hand corner of chart and read the link. This is the proper way to view spending over time versus performance over time.

    • Anonymous

      Patrick, I think its time you hit the books again; it clearly states adjusted for inflation.

  3. Patrick must have done well in Math….
    He should talk to Gore….

  4. Bottomless pit, Unemployable graduates

    95% of Americans go to public school, 5% to private. Amazing that has been the case over last 70 years through all markets. Yet spending on public school is a bottomless pit. Only 50% end up at a 4 yr college in ct. the other half are largely unemployable with little skills taught them. they should stay in the “system” until they can prove themselves “job ready and able”. even if they leave at age 25. there will be less crime on the street as they will not have to rob banks for a living. there are enough asst principles to monitor the “lesser half”.

  5. In 1972, kids graduated in 9th grade and went to a trade school where they belonged

    in 1972, metal and wood shop and auto mechanic shops existed largely in junior high since many of these kids would not be relevant to high school classes like calculus, trig, or geometry. why waste their time and ours. But no, someone had the bright idea of shutting down these vocations and shove them to college path that never materialized. hence teachers can say we are doing our job for every children. Many kids leave and are left behind at the unemployment line, not graduates of an appropriate trade school.

  6. Anonymous

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303287804579447623214129940?mod=WSJEurope_hpp_MIDDLE_Video_second&mg=reno64-wsj

    Today’s WSJ …there is a great economy out there for SKILLED workers…not so much for college drop outs.

  7. Art layton

    Inappropriate linking of statistics done here. Using your logic, SAT scores would go up if spending went down. I expect a significant amount of the increase has gone to special education, transportation and improving the performance of minority students. Incidentally, the gap on test scores between white and black/hispanic children is enormous.

    • Publius

      AL,

      The implication of the statistics is that there are issues other than $$$$ that move the education needle. Given that the mantra of the political class to spend more on education to improve it, the numbers would seem to indicate that has not worked. Recall Einstein’s definition of insanity??? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome??? I would say that applies here

      • Art layton

        That is correct, there are other issues in addition to dollars. That is why it is a mistake to link SAT scores to dollars spent on education.

    • anony

      I wonder if some of this is the result of having two parents working.

      I read that part of impetus for the woman’s lib movement was to gain more guv revenue. Of course, more workers = more competition and lower wages while combined incomes bid up the price of homes.

      Who knew there was a down side when both parents joined the rat race.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder when someone would throw out again the special education, minority student card…..nope, it has nothing to do with $50 million auditoriums, or union teachers receiving lifetime healthcare and pension….and 10 administrators for every 1 teacher.

      Nope, its all those special ed and minority kids.

      • Anonymous

        Test scores of special education students are not included in reported test scores of the geneal student body. Most are allowed accommodations which would skew scores, anyway

        • But the reader makes good point about the costs of special education – they are included, and they’re enormous.That still doesn’t account for the wild disparity between spending and results, however.

      • Art layton

        On the pension issue, teachers don’t pay social security taxes, so their only pension is the one they get from their employer (and they make a contribution to it). If being a teacher is so great, why aren’t there more teachers looking for jobs?

    • Interesting hypothesis, Art, and one very much worth considering. Would education results improve if we slashed spending? My gut says “yes”, because we’d have to dump tons of administrators, probably move to non-union teachers and cut lots of expensive “solutions” that not only don’t work but may actually be hindering learning. -let’s try it and see.

      • Art layton

        One of the challenges with our education system is that everyone has an idea how to improve outcomes. And all these ideas work – for some students sometimes in some locations.

  8. Special applies first to teachers (after administrators)…
    Eventually students…..
    OHHH and then ed…..
    What is ed?

  9. Patrick

    Tough crowd…I missed that..reading on an iPhone.

    • anon

      I feel your pain. I got bitch-slapped the other day too. This crowd has been very testy lately – maybe it’s the long cold winter that has everyone with their panties in a bunch. Have a drink. Put your feet up. Have a good weekend.